10-12-2011
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#261
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Re: The Gun Thread
I think I'm going to buy a complete upper receiver assembly all in one, just to make sure everything is together and to spec. Wasn't going to get any brand in particular, just DPMS, RRA, or whomever has the best deal. Probably some sort of 18" or 20" SS barrel.
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10-12-2011
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#262
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: The Gun Thread
Check out Bravo Company.
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10-14-2011
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#263
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Join Date: May 2007
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Re: The Gun Thread
This is sort of on topic. See if you can spot me in my little unexpected cameo in this popular youtube video. I'll give you a hint, I'm the only Asian guy lol. Seriosly though that's me so you gun guys might have shot a bad guy poster of me without realizing it.
http://youtu.be/yFEsCga1jos
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11-07-2011
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#264
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Re: The Gun Thread
I know i probably have to reread this whole thread. But Jessica and I are in the market for an AR-15, mostly for playing around shooting targets up north or at the range, and i suppose for home defense. (Mostly scare the bejesus out of anyone breaking into the house, See a pit bull, and then see the owner holding an Assault rifle i think would work)
Ive been looking at a couple and doing research, such as finding the right caliber, style, and manufacturer. After reading this article http://www.chuckhawks.com/definitive...ce_caliber.htm to kind of gauge what caliber i want to look at. I'm thinking the .308/7.62 would be a fun round to shoot, and at a good price. Also thinking around a 16" barrel. don't think i want to go too much smaller than that.
Ive been looking at offerings from DPMS as well as Rock River Arms. Don't really want to spend too much over $1000.
Any Advice or other manufactures i should take a look at? This weekend we are going to go to the range and fire off some rounds to get a feel for the AR's. I've only shot .22 rifles and hand guns, but looking for something that not only looks cool, but is fun and smooth to shoot.
Also a good search for reviews and field tests is going on youtube and searching "Trial By Fire Sledgehammer" They go through a bunch of different equipment and run through a course that makes pretty good use of it.
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11-07-2011
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#265
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Re: The Gun Thread
Why .308?
DPMS is a good starter brand, it gives you knowledge needed in order to appreciate higher level brands. You may want a scope or red dot sight that usually aren't included with rifles so figure that into your budget. It's also a good thing you don't want a smaller than 16" barrel because you can't get one without going through a lot of hassle with with the ATF and it would defeat your .308 round.
PS, AR15s are .223 / 5.56. AR10s are .308 / 7.62
I also want to mention, shooting is a parishable skill. If you want it for defense, shoot it a lot.
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11-07-2011
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#266
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Re: The Gun Thread
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Originally Posted by blackawdtsi
Why .308?
DPMS is a good starter brand, it gives you knowledge needed in order to appreciate higher level brands. You may want a scope or red dot sight that usually aren't included with rifles so figure that into your budget. It's also a good thing you don't want a smaller than 16" barrel because you can't get one without going through a lot of hassle with with the ATF and it would defeat your .308 round.
PS, AR15s are .223 / 5.56. AR10s are .308 / 7.62
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Well i guess I'm not stuck on the .308/7.62. Really i need to just get to the range and shoot both to see how accurate i am with each. Mainly when i was looking at the different characteristics of the rounds (FPS/Stopping Power/Drop) . Mainly i would like a fairly accurate and fast round likely in the 0-300m range. Ive done a little research, but still have a long way to go.
DPMS and RRA guns are around the same price, but i hear the RRA guns are a bit more reliable.
I plan on shooting it A lot. Not only for practice, but i love the feeling you get after leaving the range, all stress gone. Its a Mans Spa Day. Plus i have a couple good friends that will also be getting guns, (Brother in law, is an Austrian Gun Nut, looking to get a Yugoslavian Rifle, i forget what model.)
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11-07-2011
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#267
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Kevin
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Re: The Gun Thread
I hope to build (yes build) an AK47 soon. I'll be using a parts kit and a stamped reciever flat. So folding the receiver, riveting it all together, pressing a barrel in the front trunnion, all that fun jazz, and hopefully home-made parkerize. I am excited for that AWESOME AK bolt noise hahahaha.
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11-07-2011
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Kevin
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Re: The Gun Thread
Here is a big topic. handgun caliber.
I'm kind of the type who believe just about any bullet has enough effect to stop an intruder.
What do people here recommend? I was think 9mm. I know a local company here in WBL, MN makes a ultra sub combact 9mm that shoots 9mm+ rounds, and is apparently the most powerful 9mm+ handgun in the world. Very tiny, not cheap, looks badass.
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11-07-2011
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Re: The Gun Thread
From what I've seen you can't go wrong with a Glock. Simple and easy to use when your heart is pumping and pressure is on. My brother in law got a Glock recently and i like the feel of it. Ive shot those before and a very easy gun to fire.
Otherwise Desert Eagle .50 cal. in Titanium gold hahah
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11-07-2011
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Re: The Gun Thread
I have no idea how to say what I want without sounding condescending (which I don't want to do.) So I will leave that part out of this post, but as for the rest...
I have my AR15 sighted in at 50 yards and under 50 yards it's a max of 2 inches low. 50-200 yards it's zeroed to 2 inches high and again 2 inches low at 230 yards. To be honest it's hard to hit anything at 200 yards with even a little bit of stress added (jogging, adrenaline, etc) without a scope and going prone. If this rifle is more for hunting I'd understand .308 but not for defense. I can get 1000 NATO quality 5.56 rounds for $300. 1000 rounds of NATO 7.62 is $550. Not to mention if you want to be cheap for training you can get cheap russian .223 for 1k/$190.
RRA is a really decent brand. Spikes Tactical is better at the same price. That being said, I had a DPMS as my first ar15 and it only jammed on me once out of ~700 rounds because of me, not the rifle.
If you want to shoot an ar15 without a rental fee, you can try mine. (You have to supply ammo though)
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11-07-2011
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Re: The Gun Thread
Kevin, I wouldn't go any smaller than 9mm. Check out the Kel Tec PF9 if you're looking for a sub compact.
I also like the simplicity of Glocks. I regret selling my 17 but now have a 19 (both 9mm). That being said a lot of guns are as simple as Glocks. M&Ps, FNXs and SIGs are just as simple to field strip.
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11-07-2011
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#272
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Re: The Gun Thread
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Originally Posted by blackawdtsi
I have no idea how to say what I want without sounding condescending (which I don't want to do.) So I will leave that part out of this post, but as for the rest...
I have my AR15 sighted in at 50 yards and under 50 yards it's a max of 2 inches low. 50-200 yards it's zeroed to 2 inches high and again 2 inches low at 230 yards. To be honest it's hard to hit anything at 200 yards with even a little bit of stress added (jogging, adrenaline, etc) without a scope and going prone. If this rifle is more for hunting I'd understand .308 but not for defense. I can get 1000 NATO quality 5.56 rounds for $300. 1000 rounds of NATO 7.62 is $550. Not to mention if you want to be cheap for training you can get cheap russian .223 for 1k/$190.
RRA is a really decent brand. Spikes Tactical is better at the same price. That being said, I had a DPMS as my first ar15 and it only jammed on me once out of ~700 rounds because of me, not the rifle.
If you want to shoot an ar15 without a rental fee, you can try mine. (You have to supply ammo though)
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I really appreciate the knowledge, so believe me if I'm wrong about something definitely tell me I'm full of shit. Because i likely am . I would love to shoot your AR15. We are getting a group together to go on saturday, So far, its myself, Jessica, My brother in law and sister, and my buddy and his wife. We are all looking to purchase ARs. My Brother in law almost purchased but it turned out that he needed to provide 3 months of utility bills to get the approval to purchase. (Austrian now permanent resident).
Mainly i want to shoot one or two of them and get a feel for the different rounds.
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11-07-2011
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#273
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Re: The Gun Thread
Not sure if Bill's has an AR10 to rent. But they definitely have a SOCOM II which is 7.62x51 / .308 and is essentially a 16" barreled M1 Garand. I rented it once and it's really fun to shoot.
I bought a .22 last Saturday that I need to sight in the wife and I were planning on going Saturday already haha.
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11-07-2011
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#274
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Re: The Gun Thread
Nice! Do you have to give them notice if you plan on renting the Socom II, or any AR-15s?
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11-07-2011
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#275
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Re: The Gun Thread
No, it's first come first serve. But I rarely see any rifles being rented.
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11-07-2011
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Re: The Gun Thread
Agreed, the .308 seems like overkill for just a fun & defense gun. The rounds are really spendy too, I'd go with the .223.
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11-07-2011
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#277
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Re: The Gun Thread
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Agreed, the .308 seems like overkill for just a fun & defense gun. The rounds are really spendy too, I'd go with the .223.
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Or a 5.45x39 upper
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11-07-2011
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#278
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Re: The Gun Thread
A lot more people seem to be into guns these days...
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11-07-2011
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#279
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Re: The Gun Thread
I just went to Bill's today to rent their AR. It was a DPMS and very fun to shoot. I picked up a stripped lower at the gun show at the State Fair a couple weeks ago and wanted to be sure before I started my build.
I'm looking to build something simple as well for my first AR. Have you looked into Palmetto Armory? They sell rifle kits to be used in conjunction with your stripped lower. The kit I'm looking at is $490 for everything with $15 shipping. Also, since it's not considered a rifle without the lower you don't pay tax and they can ship directly to you.
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11-08-2011
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#280
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