Quiet High Flow Mufflers?

[Speedfreak]

I've been lightly researching over the winter, and am curious if anyone has any info or experience with mufflers that flow well, but with less noise than a straight through?

I currently have two straight through 3.5" Magnaflow mufflers on the 1g, but I'd like much less noise. I'm willing to sacrifice a little HP, for example, if the car makes approx 575whp DJ now, a reduction down to 550whp DJ would be acceptable if the noise level was reduced.

Anyone have experience with these?:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLO-13516100

Any suggestions of what to consider would be appreciated.

Google search found this(FI has different flow characteristics, but I'm sure some of the theory applies):

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...h/viewall.html

[Halon]

Might sound like a ricer idea, but would you consider running some sort of dual exhaust? You could run twin 2.5" mufflers kind of like what I'm running on the bean, and you know how quiet it is.

Otherwise you could try something like a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler. Obviously not going to flow like a straight through, but a lot of guys in San Diego ran them back when I lived near there. Since they're so strict on modding/emissions, it's what they did to keep the noise down, but still have something that flows ok.
http://www.dynomax.com/mufflers.php?muffler=superturbo

The DSM that ran in SCC's car challenge back whenever that was (10year ago?) ran one.
http://dsmporn.com/

[Goat Blower]

I did some research on this last year and basically I came up with the fact that the larger diameter the muffler, the more noise suppressing material is in there. So even a 3" straight through muffler with a 6" diameter can will be much quieter than say a glass pack.

I'm looking for the same thing with my build this spring. I went back to a 3" system comprised of a Thermal cat back, but it's way too loud for what I want, so I'll be looking for a good quality mid muffler in addition to the rear muffler the Thermal comes with. Either way, with at least 3" piping and a good quality muffler, there really shouldn't be much restriction in it.

[93gtpeater]

Just throwing this out there but electric cut outs? go from quiet to loud with a flip of a switch and not loose any power when you want to rip on it. But you proably want it quiet all the time? The hushpower muffler work pretty good from what o have heard. My budies dad tried them out on his nova. But now hes not running them anymore since he never drives the car on the street. You will neec 2 mufglers to quiet a 600hp car down.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Halon

Might sound like a ricer idea, but would you consider running some sort of dual exhaust? You could run twin 2.5" mufflers kind of like what I'm running on the bean, and you know how quiet it is.

Otherwise you could try something like a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler. Obviously not going to flow like a straight through, but a lot of guys in San Diego ran them back when I lived near there. Since they're so strict on modding/emissions, it's what they did to keep the noise down, but still have something that flows ok.
http://www.dynomax.com/mufflers.php?muffler=superturbo

The DSM that ran in SCC's car challenge back whenever that was (10year ago?) ran one.
http://dsmporn.com/

I would do whatever it took to make it quiet. However I don't believe there is any space on the other side of a 1g awd(on the other side of the gas tank/trunk).

I'll look into that muffler and peoples reviews of the loudness etc.

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

I did some research on this last year and basically I came up with the fact that the larger diameter the muffler, the more noise suppressing material is in there. So even a 3" straight through muffler with a 6" diameter can will be much quieter than say a glass pack.

I'm looking for the same thing with my build this spring. I went back to a 3" system comprised of a Thermal cat back, but it's way too loud for what I want, so I'll be looking for a good quality mid muffler in addition to the rear muffler the Thermal comes with. Either way, with at least 3" piping and a good quality muffler, there really shouldn't be much restriction in it.

Yeah, the car got quieter when I added the second muffler, as the second is now an oval and larger, but still way to loud for my tastes these days. I'm open to anything I can fit. One thing that has to change is the current 6" circle muffler by the center of the car has to be replaced by a glasspack or something of that size, as it rubs under WOT..

Originally Posted by 93gtpeater

Just throwing this out there but electric cut outs? go from quiet to loud with a flip of a switch and not loose any power when you want to rip on it. But you proably want it quiet all the time? The hushpower muffler work pretty good from what o have heard. My budies dad tried them out on his nova. But now hes not running them anymore since he never drives the car on the street. You will neec 2 mufglers to quiet a 600hp car down.

Considered it, but don't want to fiddle with anything. Just want it to be as quiet as possible all the time. I loved the sound(or lack thereof) of Fast Mark's old turbo cobra. It made nearly 1000whp and you barely heard it(relatively speaking) when doing pulls on the highway.

[turbotalon1g]

Go to 3"?

What about a magnaflow regular(oval) shaped muffler? I bought one a long ass time ago I only got to hear it on a camry but it was pretty quiet for 3"

[Perkul8r]

When i got my talon the previous owner had cut the cat and muffler off the car and just welded some pipe in. It was loud.

Now im currently running a 2 1/2 inch downpipe with 3inch pipe after that to an off brand Ultra 3 in/out straight through muffler and its considerably quieter than before.

[Goat Blower]

Search for it on Tooners, there was a couple of really good threads on there from a few years ago. The only good places for mufflers on a 1G are the cat area and the rear. You could always throw another glasspack on after the cat since they don't take up any room. Kind of like the factory resonators on most cars these days.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

Go to 3"?

What about a magnaflow regular(oval) shaped muffler? I bought one a long ass time ago I only got to hear it on a camry but it was pretty quiet for 3"

That would be a last resort, as my brain can't wrap itself around choking the setup.

Originally Posted by Perkul8r

When i got my talon the previous owner had cut the cat and muffler off the car and just welded some pipe in. It was loud.

Now im currently running a 2 1/2 inch downpipe with 3inch pipe after that to an off brand Ultra 3 in/out straight through muffler and its considerably quieter than before.

I can't go that small.

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Search for it on Tooners, there was a couple of really good threads on there from a few years ago. The only good places for mufflers on a 1G are the cat area and the rear. You could always throw another glasspack on after the cat since they don't take up any room. Kind of like the factory resonators on most cars these days.

Will search there and see what I find.

[Goat Blower]

I had two mufflers on my 3.5" system and it was still loud enough to set off alarms in every parking ramp I went to.

[turbotalon1g]

I think you will be fine with 3", Steve didn't you get to see the diff. first hand between 3" and 3.5"?

I think below 650-700 gains will be minimal and if you are willing to sacrifice well it might be the key.

Keep us updated, I'm in need of exhaust and I want it as quiet as stock.

[FattyBoomBatty]

What about offset magnaflow "straight"-through mufflers? I have an offset in, center out with a 3" system and it's very pleasant. Also, what about extending the tip beyond the edge of the bumper? I did that as well and the combination of that muffler and the protruding pipe made the car VERY nice to ride around in. I used to get fatigued from the droning, but now at highways speeds, I can use my "inside voice."

[A//// Guy]

I had a resonator where the cat was, and then a hooker straight through muffler on my 1g and it was perfect, not too noisy, good sound.

[turbotalon1g]

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

I had a resonator where the cat was, and then a hooker straight through muffler on my 1g and it was perfect, not too noisy, good sound.

hahaha hooker.


Have you heard anything about vibrant 3" straight thru mufflers i think they are 14" long.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I think you will be fine with 3", Steve didn't you get to see the diff. first hand between 3" and 3.5"?

I think below 650-700 gains will be minimal and if you are willing to sacrifice well it might be the key.

Keep us updated, I'm in need of exhaust and I want it as quiet as stock.

I should ask Shane about any data he may have between different cars with similar setups and 3 or 3.5 inch systems. I don't really want to replace my whole setup, but if it's the ticket, maybe that'w what will happen.

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

What about offset magnaflow "straight"-through mufflers? I have an offset in, center out with a 3" system and it's very pleasant. Also, what about extending the tip beyond the edge of the bumper? I did that as well and the combination of that muffler and the protruding pipe made the car VERY nice to ride around in. I used to get fatigued from the droning, but now at highways speeds, I can use my "inside voice."

I'd be open to it if they help, that's kinda what I was looking for.. someone today "xxx" type of muffler is better that a typical straight through, which is what I have.

I'll have to see if I can test something a little extended and see if my current placement is an issue(it's as far as the muffler can sit back, but maybe I can add a tip or something)

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

I had a resonator where the cat was, and then a hooker straight through muffler on my 1g and it was perfect, not too noisy, good sound.

Yeah, I have a full on 3.5" round straight through muffler where the cat was, and an oval at the rear currently.

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

hahaha hooker.


Have you heard anything about vibrant 3" straight thru mufflers i think they are 14" long.

I think we did one on Bman's talon, it was decent.


Seems most everyone who had an acceptable sound level were all running 3" systems. Maybe it's just as simple as I'm not going to be able to create a quiet 3.5" systems with the 1g's space constraints?

Now I'll have to figure out how much HP(spool/efficiency, etc?) I may lose and what mufflers to try if I want to build a 3" system.

[Halon]

When you first built it, it was a 3" vibrant resonator, then went to a 3" center in/offset out straight thru Hooker.
You then swapped out that Hooker for a 3" center in/offset out straight thru Magnaflow. While not obnoxiously ricey loud, it was still too loud for what I'd want now-a-days.

[Goat Blower]

If I remember right, there's no difference from 3" to 3.5" under 550whp, or at least hardly noticeable.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Halon

When you first built it, it was a 3" vibrant resonator, then went to a 3" center in/offset out straight thru Hooker.
You then swapped out that Hooker for a 3" center in/offset out straight thru Magnaflow. While not obnoxiously ricey loud, it was still too loud for what I'd want now-a-days.

Yeah, I want it even quieter than that as you know.

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

If I remember right, there's no difference from 3" to 3.5" under 550whp, or at least hardly noticeable.

I would like to verify that, if it's true, it'll be much easier to make something quiet in 3".

[JET]

Here is the setup I plan on running, Borla 5" round up front and 18" long followed by an oval.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BOR-40004S/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BOR-40946/

I also don't want something real loud any more, I am hoping that along with dynomat'ing the whole car will do the trick.

[Goat Blower]

Originally Posted by JET

Here is the setup I plan on running, Borla 5" round up front and 18" long followed by an oval.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BOR-40004S/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BOR-40946/

I also don't want something real loud any more, I am hoping that along with dynomat'ing the whole car will do the trick.

Ha, that's funny. The three of us that modded our cars to hell all now want quiet exhaust and a quieter interior. I dynamatted my car a few years ago back when I still had the 3.5" exhaust. It does make a difference.