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You keep saying they are fighting for us. You need to think about why we are in Iraq. They were NO present threat to the US so saying that being over in Iraq somehow justifies itself as fighting for our freedom is stupid. If that is the case shouldn't we be fighting most countries, as many are "capable" of an attack. And to say that we elected Bush is BS too. I think it was rather conveniant that the only state that fucked up was the state which his brother is govenor.

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by remy+Feb 20 2004, 09:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (remy @ Feb 20 2004, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LightningGSX@Feb 20 2004, 04:37 AM
Because of Bush, there is no more taliban, no more saddam, and libia is scared straight.I'm curious to hear what you anti-Bush people think the appropriate course of action was.

Because of Bush our relations with the UN are shit. We should have waited for the UN's support instead of fucking ourselves in the ass. [/b][/quote]
Oh no, are relations with the UN are shit...SO. The UN is a joke.

Really? I'm gald you think that. Just so happens the other 190 member states of the UN seem to think that it is quite relavant to the relations between its international community.

[Jakey]

Originally posted by remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:07 AM
You keep saying they are fighting for us.* You need to think about why we are in Iraq.* They were NO present threat to the US so saying that being over in Iraq somehow justifies itself as fighting for our freedom is stupid.* If that is the case shouldn't we be fighting most countries, as many are "capable" of an attack.* And to say that we elected Bush is BS too.* I think it was rather conveniant that the only state that fucked up was the state which his brother is govenor.

Who are the thousands of solders fighting for then, their banker back home so their mortgate payment can be paid from their military salary? Remember, we are the United States of America, not the Some People Support War, Some Don't States of America. We are united together for one cause, no matter how that cause is defined, executed, or portrayed: Freedom. Every citizen who is enlisted in the armed forced is fighting for freedom, plain and simple. I couldn't care any less whether you support the war itself, but for God's sake, support the soldiers and step back sometimes so you realize that many of the comments you make are nothing but cutting down those fighting for freedom.

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:07 AM
You keep saying they are fighting for us.&nbsp; You need to think about why we are in Iraq.&nbsp; They were NO present threat to the US so saying that being over in Iraq somehow justifies itself as fighting for our freedom is stupid.&nbsp; If that is the case shouldn't we be fighting most countries, as many are "capable" of an attack.&nbsp; And to say that we elected Bush is BS too.&nbsp; I think it was rather conveniant that the only state that fucked up was the state which his brother is govenor.

I don't see how you know for a fact Iraq was not a threat, considering you and I(and the general public) know next to nothing about what actually was going on.Do you work for the CIA or something? If you don't, you should, you obviously know more than all of us.Like I said before, any tyrannical regime with a large military and large amount of wepons is a threat, especially when they are ignoring UN resolutions.

Originally posted by Jakey@Feb 20 2004, 10:18 AM
Who are the thousands of solders fighting for then, their banker back home so their mortgate payment can be paid from their military salary? Remember, we are the United States of America, not the Some People Support War, Some Don't States of America. We are united together for one cause, no matter how that cause is defined, executed, or portrayed: Freedom. Every citizen who is enlisted in the armed forced is fighting for freedom, plain and simple. I couldn't care any less whether you support the war itself, but for God's sake, support the soldiers and step back sometimes so you realize that many of the comments you make are nothing but cutting down those fighting for freedom.

I can tell you that our Government is not fighting with Iraq for our Freedom. And as for supporting our troops, I wish they were home safe. But they aren't so what I wish now is for their saftey and health. Our Government put them in that position so I disagree with The Government. How does that mean the I don't give a fuck about the troops. Your assuming a lot. And I take offense to that. If your so gunho why aren't you over there fighting for my freedom?

[LightningGSX]

The military works on the chain of command, when soldiers start to question their orders, it opens up all sorts of problems, so until are troops are home people like you should keep their opinions to themselves.People like you, are the ones that made the soldiers lives so difficult when they came home from Vietnam.The fight is for freedom, not just our freedom, and any fight for freedom is a worthy one.

Originally posted by LightningGSX@Feb 20 2004, 10:30 AM
People like you, are the ones that made the soldiers lives so difficult when they came home from Vietnam.

Yeah people like me that disagree with the Government. People like me that will support the Troops when they get back. I know they are only doing what they are ordered to do so why would I have any beef with them. Its the people that are giving the orders that I take issue with.

Oh and one more thing. If I was over in Iraq I would want people back at home fighting for me and my opinions. I would do what I had to, and pray that people back home were trying to get us back soon.

[Jakey]

Originally posted by remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:25 AM
I can tell you that our Government is not fighting with Iraq for our Freedom. And as for supporting our troops, I wish they were home safe. But they aren't so what I wish now is for their saftey and health. Our Government put them in that position so I disagree with The Government. How does that mean the I don't give a fuck about the troops. Your assuming a lot. And I take offense to that. If your so gunho why aren't you over there fighting for my freedom?

Our Government is us, we are the Government, it's called a democracy. Those elected officials that make up the Governing Bodies are fellow citizens, our fellow citizens are making decisions. It's not like they are an entire different society of people, they are our fellow citizens. I am not assuming a lot, I am reading your comments throughout this thread and interpreting them into you saying, "Get the troops out and stop the war. Until you're all out of Iraq, you're not going to get my support." What I'm trying to see is that you need to realize that your comments can be interpreted in many different ways, whether the person reading them is far Left, far Right, or simply in the middle like myself. I chose not to enlist in the armed services simply because it was not something that interests me. Is that saying that I would not fight for my country, not at all. I would give my life for the cause in which we are all here today to preserve: Freedom.

[FattyBoomBatty]

Originally posted by LightningGSX@Feb 20 2004, 10:30 AM
The military works on the chain of command, when soldiers start to question their orders, it opens up all sorts of problems, so until are troops are home people like you should keep their opinions to themselves.People like you, are the ones that made the soldiers lives so difficult when they came home from Vietnam.The fight is for freedom, not just are freedom, and any fight for freedom is a worthy one.

were you in vietnam?

[LightningGSX]

Don't you see how people criticizing their commander in chief, can lead to morale problems and other problems in the time they need to believe 100% in the orders that were given to them?

[Jakey]

Originally posted by LightningGSX@Feb 20 2004, 10:35 AM
Don't you see how people criticizing their commander in chief, can lead to morale problems and other problems in the time they need to believe 100% in the orders that were given to them?

Exactly!!!

Originally posted by remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:32 AM
Oh and one more thing. If I was over in Iraq I would want people back at home fighting for me and my opinions. I would do what I had to, and pray that people back home were trying to get us back soon.

No I don't.

[Jakey]

Originally posted by remy+Feb 20 2004, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (remy @ Feb 20 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:32 AM
Oh and one more thing.&nbsp; If I was over in Iraq I would want people back at home fighting for me and my opinions.&nbsp; I would do what I had to, and pray that people back home were trying to get us back soon.

No I don't. [/b][/quote]
You're cutting down the Command in Chief based upon his decisions: that in my book is not supporting the solders. You can cut down his beliefs, but you can not cut down the actions he has commenced upon. Why? Bush's beliefs are his own, but his actions are not only his actions, but the Country's actions. Cutting down the Country's actions means not supporting the soldiers, in my book.

It's a good thing i don't read your book.

[Jakey]

Originally posted by remy@Feb 20 2004, 10:44 AM
It's a good thing i don't read your book.

Shit we'd really have a problem then
Debating is all in fun, obviously we're entitled to our own beliefs. :woowoo:

[LightningGSX]

Remy, I would recommend you read a book or something on the psychological effects of war on soldiers.And maybe one on Vietnam, not what was happening in Vietnam, but here in the US during the war, and after the soldiers came home.No I'm not somehow comparing this war to Vietnam.

My dad was in Vietnam and I know what it was like when the troops came home. That was because some of them were over there killing women and children and that didn't sit right with the American population.

www.cato.org

[LightningGSX]

Uhhh, nope, better ask your dad again.With these links you post and your references to other people , you are making it clear that these are others opinions you argue and not your own.I'd say if anything you are the impressionable one and not us that think the war in Iraq is justified.

http://www.ricgerace.com/when.htm