Fuct up traffic stop: guns don't kill people, people kill people

[Febo]

Save yourself the gut wrench and just don't Murlo, I kind of wish I hadn't watched it.

Originally Posted by Tachyon

This video happened about 12 years ago. I can kinda see why police nowadays are quick to use a taser before things like this get out of hand.

Funny how when you see a video like this you can justify the force cops use, yet mostly we just see tidbits of beligerent suspects gettng tazed and feel the cops over reach their power and force. I'd take a tazer hit over an ASP strike, or bullet anyday.

[Murlo26]

Like I said I see little reason to watch this anymore after reading everything...you guys laid it out pretty well. The thread title sounds very fitting.

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by Febo

Funny how when you see a video like this you can justify the force cops use, yet mostly we just see tidbits of beligerent suspects gettng tazed and feel the cops over reach their power and force. I'd take a tazer hit over an ASP strike, or bullet anyday.

Yea, there is always two sides to a story. Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that a lot of the tasings that you see are warranted, or even somewhat abused, but seeing how fast violence can escalate to lethal levels, a non-lethal, nip-it-in-the-bud approach has an argument.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Febo

I'd take a tazer hit over an ASP strike, or bullet anyday.

A small percentage of people die every year from Tasers. I'm not sure what the death rate is from an Asp. Clearly it didn't hurt this guy enough to matter.

[tpunx99GSX]

i really dont like that saying "Guns dont kill people, People do" (Before anyone jumps all over me for being anti gun, which i am not, hear me out).
Guns do not walk around killing people, But are a tool, and like any other tool, you need the right tool for the job. Hand Guns help protect your family, Hunting Rifles are great at killing animals for food, So what job is a tool like an AK-47 used for? or how about a Machine Gun?

I think the majority of American Citizens can agree that the ownership of arms to protect your family or hunt is fine and dandy, but it seems the main disagreement between parties, and groups comes down to What kind of guns should be allowed, and which people should be allowed to own guns. My personal opinion is that hand guns of a certain caliber, and hunting rifles of certain criteria should be allowed to be owned, but a ban on other criteria should also be put in place. I believe that assault rifles, (even though i love looking at them and think they are really cool) have no place in normal society, (war zones excluded, as i think in war, the best tool for the job should be used, (which should be a laser gun with unlimited ammo, like out of most video games)).


Sure, the gun didnt act on its on, the man had to pull the trigger. But would he have been as effective had he been using a bolt action rifle? or a hand gun? or a bow and arrow? probably not.

[Febo]

From the brief training I received on using an ASP they can be fatal or life altering if you miss a strike and hit a red zone (neck, head, spine, joints)

Current law enforcement or military police correct me if I'm wrong

Chainsaws and steak knives kill people too tom.

[DoughtCom]

I hate when cops are dicks and the fact that they don't have much to worry about other than the misc bullshit I get pulled over all the time here for. However I'm always polite and realize they're just doing they're job. This video literally just made me sick to my stomach, especially after reading the full description.

The criminal obviously just wanted to die, that was apparent when he got out of the car, luckily it was in a state like Texas where we can put the fucker to death and give him his wish. However letting him rott in a dark jail cell would have been nice as well, knowing he was being ass raped by whoever saw fit.

[goodhart]

Tom, please use paragraphs for crying out loud.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Tom, please use paragraphs for crying out loud.

I did, it just didnt double space them. Now please use correct sentence structure.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

I did, it just didnt double space them. Now please use correct sentence structure.

Please use correct grammar and punctuation.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by polishmafia

Please use correct grammar and punctuation.

Please do the world a favor and STFU.

[URV8SUX]

Holyshitthisstoryissuperfuckedupanditsa3pagrpissin gmatchoveranopinionbutthatsmyopinion
Havefunreadingbitch.

[Halon]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

i really dont like that saying "Guns dont kill people, People do" (Before anyone jumps all over me for being anti gun, which i am not, hear me out).
Guns do not walk around killing people, But are a tool, and like any other tool, you need the right tool for the job. Hand Guns help protect your family, Hunting Rifles are great at killing animals for food, So what job is a tool like an AK-47 used for? or how about a Machine Gun?

I think the majority of American Citizens can agree that the ownership of arms to protect your family or hunt is fine and dandy, but it seems the main disagreement between parties, and groups comes down to What kind of guns should be allowed, and which people should be allowed to own guns. My personal opinion is that hand guns of a certain caliber, and hunting rifles of certain criteria should be allowed to be owned, but a ban on other criteria should also be put in place. I believe that assault rifles, (even though i love looking at them and think they are really cool) have no place in normal society, (war zones excluded, as i think in war, the best tool for the job should be used, (which should be a laser gun with unlimited ammo, like out of most video games)).


Sure, the gun didnt act on its on, the man had to pull the trigger. But would he have been as effective had he been using a bolt action rifle? or a hand gun? or a bow and arrow? probably not.

Automatic weapons would be more for hobby or sport in this country. But of course there will always be the few who abuse then and/or use them criminally. And what you are saying is since they don't serve a practical "legal" purpose, and since some people have abused them, this means they should be banned for everyone?

Just trying to clarify, no attack intended here as you often tend to go on a tangent and think everytime I reply to you it's some kind of attack against you, and somehow has something to do with me hating democrats for some reason...

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Sure, the gun didnt act on its on, the man had to pull the trigger.

An M1 is a frighteningly simple and old rifle. The guy only fired a couple shots at a time. Anyone with training can fire a bolt action with alarming speed. You have watched stuff on the Kennedy assassination, haven't you?

One of the things that really annoys us NRA-types is people like you that don't understand guns and spout nonsense like this. Automatic weapons are nearly impossible for a civilian to get. An AK-74 is a semi-auto and in most cases so-called assault weapons fire a cartridge that is less powerful than a typical hunting rifle.

In the real-world a 'sniper rifle' is a bolt-action that uses a powerful hunting cartridge. Making those type of rifles the preferred weapon would probably increase fatalities! Rounds from such a weapon cut through body armor like butter.

[DoughtCom]

Originally Posted by mlomker

An M1 is a frighteningly simple and old rifle. The guy only fired a couple shots at a time. Anyone with training can fire a bolt action with alarming speed. You have watched stuff on the Kennedy assassination, haven't you?

One of the things that really annoys us NRA-types is people like you that don't understand guns and spout nonsense like this.

Automatic weapons are nearly impossible for a civlian to get. An AK-74 is a semi-auto and in most cases so-called assault weapons fire a cartridge that is less powerful than a typical hunting rifle.

You're correct about the ammo, but all it takes is a pin mod to make most guns like the AR-15 and AK fully auto.

[1G_DSM]

Originally Posted by Febo

From the brief training I received on using an ASP they can be fatal or life altering if you miss a strike and hit a red zone (neck, head, spine, joints)

Current law enforcement or military police correct me if I'm wrong

Chainsaws and steak knives kill people too tom.

You're not suppose to hit anyone near the head or neck areas unless you're justified in using lethal force. Frankly I can kick harder than I can hit with an ASP baton. Those things are really light and don't pack much of a punch to be honest. Those big billy sticks or whatever they're called do work though but police departments don't carry them anymore. Being tasered isn't so bad, I would rather get tasered 10 times over than get sprayed with OC.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Hand Guns help protect your family, Hunting Rifles are great at killing animals for food, So what job is a tool like an AK-47 used for?

...I believe that assault rifles, (even though i love looking at them and think they are really cool) have no place in normal society

This guy had a handgun and he did plenty of damage



An "assault rifle" is a great tool for home defence. The only difference between a "hunting rifle" and an "assault rifle" is a pistol grip.

"Sporting Rifle"


"Assault Rifle"


They are the same rifle yet only one was banned. (shortly under Clinton) Because it had a pistol grip and some jewelry on the end of the barrel

Originally Posted by DoughtCom

You're correct about the ammo, but all it takes is a pin mod to make most guns like the AR-15 and AK fully auto.

I don't know where you get your info from. It takes an auto bolt and sear + triger and more work for an AK. It take more than a firing pin on an AR platform as well. Most of these parts are hard to come by and not worth the hassle (prison)

You can make an AK fire "ghetto full auto" easily but it will eventually fire out of battery and you are more than likely only going to hurt/kill yourself (plus spend some time in Prison)

[311evo]

Tom your theory doesn't make much sense.

You're saying that only guns that are used for home defense and hunting should be allowed. So the hobbies who does target shooting or anything like that will get the shaft.

Thats like saying we should illegalize everything besides Toyota Hybrids and minivans. That way the fast sports cars (who tend to kill/injure more people) will no longer be obtainable for those with the hobby of cars themselves.

[1G_DSM]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

You can make an AK fire "ghetto full auto" easily but it will eventually fire out of battery and you are more than likely only going to hurt/kill yourself (plus spend some time in Prison)

Easy "fix" to go "full auto" - Just bump fire the damn thing, lol. It's not very practical but at least its fun lol.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by 1G_DSM

Easy "fix" to go "full auto" - Just bump fire the damn thing, lol. It's not very practical but at least its fun lol.

Troof!