Planned Parenthood

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

And that is a good point, after the deed is done.

What about the fact they've been caught bargaining and selling human tissues for profit? Which IS highly illegal.

If profit is not the motive and medical research is, why not just say to the research companies, "here's bags of aborted babies, take all you want so we don't have to incur the high cost of disposal"? Think about that. Instead, what you have is PP creating a market for a product which they can supply as long as they keep pumping out abortions.

The fact is that PP even admits 91% of those so called "women's health services" related to pregnancy are abortions (from their own 2010 report).
http://issuu.com/actionfund/docs/ppf...994783/2039600

http://liveaction.org/blog/new-plann...ated-services/

Do you even read the sources you post? Abortions are 3% of Planned Parenthood services according to what you just posted in the actual PP report. http://issuu.com/actionfund/docs/ppf...994783/2039600

Why do you use words like "Highly Illegal"? You don't know what you're talking about. There are costs involved in organ donation and those can be recovered. An example would be that a person compensated for their time when donating blood plasma, but not for the actual blood plasma. Same concept with processing tissues and organs.

If what you believe is true, arrests will happen. There won't be any arrests over the matter because nothing illegal is happening. Just angry people using strong words that don't apply to any of it.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Do you even read the sources you post? Abortions are 3% of Planned Parenthood services according to what you just posted in the actual PP report. http://issuu.com/actionfund/docs/ppf...994783/2039600

Why do you use words like "Highly Illegal"? You don't know what you're talking about. There are costs involved in organ donation and those can be recovered. An example would be that a person compensated for their time when donating blood plasma, but not for the actual blood plasma. Same concept with processing tissues and organs.

If what you believe is true, arrests will happen. There won't be any arrests over the matter because nothing illegal is happening. Just angry people using strong words that don't apply to any of it.

I guess "highly" implied its "more illegal" than it is "illegal", so sorry about that. This is not organ donation in the sense of a person giving up one of their kidneys or bone marrow. Last I checked giving plasma doesn't kill you to extract it for profit.



Yes I did read it. Who cares if its 3% of what they do, that 3% is a huge number of abortions, over 300,000 in just that year, so don't make it out like its only 3 babies aborted for profit.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Is there a roadblock to your thought processes or do not have a moral compass

Oh it's definitely my moral compass. I'm a car salesman

[Halon]

I bet Bobby runs a lease to buy program for PP I keed I keed.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

I guess "highly" implied its "more illegal" than it is "illegal", so sorry about that. This is not organ donation in the sense of a person giving up one of their kidneys or bone marrow. Last I checked giving plasma doesn't kill you to extract it for profit.

It all falls under the same laws. A person can't donate their heart until death. Someone will be paid for removing it. Money will legally transact for that heart.

I find the abortion and organ saving process and talk a bit disturbing myself. However, nothing being done is illegal. I personally would rather that a use is made out of the aborted fetus rather than just throwing it away.

Yes I did read it. Who cares if its 3% of what they do, that 3% is a huge number of abortions, over 300,000 in just that year, so don't make it out like it only 3 babies aborted for profit.

Because it's important to state the facts. If it's a who cares issue and you read it, why make up stats? There were 10.7 million people served for non-abortion related issues. 3.7 million of those were for contraception - that's a lot of potential abortions being prevented.

It's fine to be against the process that's happening, but disliking it doesn't make it illegal.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by Halon

I bet Bobby runs a lease to buy program for PP I keed I keed.

Why wouldn't you want a new, fetus kidney every 3 years?

[1ViciousGSX]

I stated the facts correctly.

The fact is that PP even admits 91% of those so called "women's health services" related to pregnancy are abortions (from their own 2010 report).

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

I stated the facts correctly.

The fact is that PP even admits 91% of those so called "women's health services" related to pregnancy are abortions (from their own 2010 report).

91% of what women's health services? There were 1.1 million pregnancy tests. And 3.7 million people served related to contraception. Are those issues not related to pregnancy?

If your argument is that 91% of pregnant women who go to planned parenthood have an abortion, umm yeah, it's a clinic that does abortions. If you're pregnant and want to have a baby, you go to your ob/gyn.

[Trogdor]

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

It's not the children's fault. Nothing will change until you hold the parents responsible for their own actions.

As sad as her situation is, who's fault is it?

[AwdGSX13]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

Lol only one solution that i know about to fix that. You are giving people like that the ok to have un-protected sex and not care if they get pregnant. People like that should simply not be allowed to have kids or pretty much make it impossible. "someone has to pay for all these kids" wtf gtfo.

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

It's not the children's fault. Nothing will change until you hold the parents responsible for their own actions.

As sad as her situation is, who's fault is it?

I fully agree

Children are innocent by standards. There situation is strickly the fault of the parents.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

Abortion is legal and didn't stop that lady. There's no fair way to hold anyone accountable in that situation. You can put the kids in foster care, but that'll just fuck'em up more.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

There's no fair way to hold anyone accountable in that situation.

Please explain this,... ^^^^^

Did somebody put a gun to her head making her get pregnant 15 times? 15 times! Sounds like she's a baby factory to get more checks and now the checks aren't enough.

Did somebody in school keep her from getting an education that would allow her to provide for herself?

Did somebody tell her to choose her man poorly?

Where is the father ? Oh, probably in jail, right?

Is she actively looking for employment or assistance? Or just waiting for the Gubment to save the day?

[jeremy1375]

How do you propose to hold any person accountable to anything in that situation? Jail time for too many kids? Forced sterilization? The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

How do you propose to hold any person accountable to anything in that situation? Jail time for too many kids? Forced sterilization? The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so.

OK,
So do we "sweep it under the rug" and pretend there's not a problem that needs addressing?
Or do we ask the parents,..

Why did you have so many babies knowing fully you couldn't support them?
And who's fault is that?
And why should the tax payer be on the hook for 15 mistakes?
When does the person become responsible for their own actions, when number 16 pops out?

I say either they show how they intend to provide for those kids or take them away for their own good and adopt them out to break the "The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so" cycle .

[jeremy1375]

Ok. In theory your solution sounds good. How would it work in practice? Let's say we take your approach. According to the video, the financial problems arose when the father went to jail.

Should government proactively question all parents when they reach a certain number of kids on their ability to pay if circumstances change? How many kids would that be?

If the kids are separated from their family and adopted out, what does data say about the kids likeliness of improving outcomes? What's it going to cost to jail the mother when she loses her shit after having all her kids taken away?

Do we do the same thing to a middle class white family that falls on hard times and needs government assistance if they have X kids and the dad went to jail or became unable to work? What would those specific criteria be to determine the government can take a person's children away permanently?

How much will the bureaucracy cost to implement, track, and enforce this regulation?

[AwdGSX13]

The fact she says that "someone needs to be held accountable" shows that she is too stupid to be able to take care of children. they should be taken away.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Ok. In theory your solution sounds good. How would it work in practice? Let's say we take your approach. According to the video, the financial problems arose when the father went to jail.

OK, so whose fault is it he went to jail? A responsible father wouldn't risk not being there for his children. In fact, a responsible mother and father would not make 15 kids they couldn't easily support.

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Should government proactively question all parents when they reach a certain number of kids on their ability to pay if circumstances change? How many kids would that be?

Proactively, no. In cases like this, yes. In her case, I'd say at least 14 too many. If the circumstances are worse, I'd say all 15.

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

If the kids are separated from their family and adopted out, what does data say about the kids likeliness of improving outcomes? What's it going to cost to jail the mother when she loses her shit after having all her kids taken away?

You really believe that these children have it better now than if they were taken into a more stable environment? If you believe "it's all about the children", then obviously you can see how leaving them in a situation like that does NOTHING to improve their outlook or their future. But it does create more Democratic voters, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Do we do the same thing to a middle class white family that falls on hard times and needs government assistance if they have X kids and the dad went to jail or became unable to work?

Yes we do. Do you think that only black families lose their children because they can't take care of them? If you do, you'd be wrong.
Foster care, foster homes, child protective services, etc. are there for a reason, to protect the child above all else. And it knows no color.
In fact, in most cases, try being white and getting half of what families like hers will get subsidized with.

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

What would those specific criteria be to determine the government can take a person's children away permanently?

Seems obvious to me, but lets see,...
Can you provide food for them and how?
Can you provide clothing for them and how?
Can you provide shelter for them and where?
Are they getting taken to school for their education?
Are they safe where they are (overcrowded living conditions, home environment, etc.)?
How is their hygiene?

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

How much will the bureaucracy cost to implement, track, and enforce this regulation?

How much will it cost to be her "babies daddy" x 15?
And then those 15 babies "babies daddies" x how ever many they make?

[jeremy1375]

^ ^ You make some good points. I would argue though that because it could affect middle class whites it could never become law as it wouldn't be politically viable on either side. The law would inevitably cause some white middle class families to lose their children due to a spouses jailing, death, impairment, or other issue that was out of their control.

Originally Posted by AwdGSX13

The fact she says that "someone needs to be held accountable" shows that she is too stupid to be able to take care of children. they should be taken away.

Maybe, but if you give her the benefit of the doubt, other things could come into play. What if her religious beliefs are against contraception or says the more kids you have, the greater your rewards in heaven?

Maybe she doesn't believe the father is guilty and thinks he's being unfairly jailed.