Disapointed in people

[DSMINMN]

Originally Posted by JET

Looks like you need to read it more:

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

There are also references in Samuel to the same affect.

Ahhhhh. You know, it is SO refreshing to see out of context posts about the Bible online. Please oh please; sense the sarcasm. This get's so old so fast. If you're going to make a reach such as this at least try to help yourself out and read a good amount before this and well after it. It hurts you in the long run.

I just feel like mentioning a quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts". Really an interesting quote, isn't it? Let me get into this...something I wasn't even aware of until you made such a silly post.


Literally anyone can post a certain part of the Bible out of context. Sure you (as well as anyone else [again]), can bitch and moan that context means nothing but let's face it...context is key in everything.


The fact of the matter is what you posted is PART of the directions God gave to Old covenant Israel and absolutely no one else. This was before Israel was even established. Sadly this is probably the easiest answer to give without filling a page full of information..

Of course this will probably mean nothing to you and you'll continue thinking it is an order to followers of Christ for all of eternity. Then try to use it everywhere else. Hopefully someone with ten minutes sees it and does such as I did.

Context is key and that is simply the cold hard fact. Like it or not.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

Oh boy..

Unless everyone decides to accept everyone they're some sort of "ist" or "ic". It's funny how the world has turned some type of way when in reality everything is being forced to change now. So realistically everything is being forced or attempted to change in the favor of these people.

One cannot point fingers when we get down to the nitty-gritty. Especially when the word Muslim comes into play.

This is not to say were not supposed to love our neighbor despite their personal decisions err...yeah.

I do not have a kid so I won't attempt to answer the question.

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

I guess it has a lot to do with context. The "religion of peace" isn't so peaceful when you get right down to it.

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

I never claimed it was. In the same mention you won't read anywhere in the Bible to kill all infidels. Or things of this nature.

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

Ahhhhh. You know, it is SO refreshing to see out of context posts about the Bible online. Please oh please; sense the sarcasm. This get's so old so fast. If you're going to make a reach such as this at least try to help yourself out and read a good amount before this and well after it. It hurts you in the long run.

I just feel like mentioning a quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts". Really an interesting quote, isn't it? Let me get into this...something I wasn't even aware of until you made such a silly post.


Literally anyone can post a certain part of the Bible out of context. Sure you (as well as anyone else [again]), can bitch and moan that context means nothing but let's face it...context is key in everything.


The fact of the matter is what you posted is PART of the directions God gave to Old covenant Israel and absolutely no one else. This was before Israel was even established. Sadly this is probably the easiest answer to give without filling a page full of information..

Of course this will probably mean nothing to you and you'll continue thinking it is an order to followers of Christ for all of eternity. Then try to use it everywhere else. Hopefully someone with ten minutes sees it and does such as I did.

Context is key and that is simply the cold hard fact. Like it or not.

You talk about context in relation to the Bible, but don't seem to extend that concept to (acceptance of that concept) to others in this case. It's a valid point, but everyone needs to understand it's happening by others outside of the cause / religion you care about personally.

What you mention about pulling something out then taking it out of context to use in an unintended fashion is exactly what's going on in the world currently with people claiming they are Muslims and doing terrible things.

To condemn anyone, you must first actually know facts. There are many interfaith groups in most big cities who get together to understand each others religions and work together to dispel ignorance. If anyone actually cares about truth, this is a good avenue to learn. MN has a strong group of learned Christians, Jews and Muslims (all people of the book) who gather regularly for the last 25 years. Other religious and non religious groups attend, it's just organized by these three.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

Disagree. That's what the mainstream media is pushing, but "terrorists" are all over doing all sorts of wrong things. It's at their (media) liberty to label at will, and it's not spread evenly.

The media topic is bigger than this thread, so believe whatever I guess.

Agree to disagree I suppose.

http://m.state.gov/md123085.htm

[polishmafia]

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Agree to disagree I suppose.

http://m.state.gov/md123085.htm

Again, bigger discussion, and leans more toward politics AND religion than either alone.

I generally stay out of most political discussion, but will generally chime in on religion topics.

Your comment will lead directly to politics at some point so I'm out of that one.

[DSMINMN]

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

You talk about context in relation to the Bible, but don't seem to extend that concept to (acceptance of that concept) to others in this case. It's a valid point, but everyone needs to understand it's happening by others outside of the cause / religion you care about personally.

What you mention about pulling something out then taking it out of context to use in an unintended fashion is exactly what's going on in the world currently with people claiming they are Muslims and doing terrible things.

To condemn anyone, you must first actually know facts. There are many interfaith groups in most big cities who get together to understand each others religions and work together to dispel ignorance. If anyone actually cares about truth, this is a good avenue to learn. MN has a strong group of learned Christians, Jews and Muslims (all people of the book) who gather regularly for the last 25 years. Other religious and non religious groups attend, it's just organized by these three.

See what is funny about that statement is, I can throw it right out knowing this peaceful religion was a straight copy off of the Bible. Than the usual twists and tricks. As well as a certain prophet dying and never having risen from the dead as he claimed he would.

Whereas in the Bible this isn't the case. Those who claim otherwise are illiterate and illogical naysayers that are clinging to their disbelief (or as many would like to say humanist belief/faith), based on irrational...be it fear..? That their humanist faith is in fact crumbling and has been for decades if not longer.

When it comes down to these things one has to chuckle.. I'm starting to see my time spent here leaving a comment was a waste and I feel we're about to jump onto a merry-go-round of useless claims. Full of wasted time for the fact that people cannot educate themselves on simple facts. Such as earlier taking a section from the Bible, how the Quran came to be, what things have been proven yet people still claim otherwise..it's really quite sad and pathetic.

Do with this what you may.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

See what is funny about that statement is, I can throw it right out knowing this peaceful religion was a straight copy off of the Bible. Than the usual twists and tricks. As well as a certain prophet dying and never having risen from the dead as he claimed he would.

Whereas in the Bible this isn't the case. Those who claim otherwise are illiterate and illogical naysayers that are clinging to their disbelief (or as many would like to say humanist belief/faith), based on irrational...be it fear..? That their humanist faith is in fact crumbling and has been for decades if not longer.

When it comes down to these things one has to chuckle.. I'm starting to see my time spent here leaving a comment was a waste and I feel we're about to jump onto a merry-go-round of useless claims. Full of wasted time for the fact that people cannot educate themselves on simple facts. Such as earlier taking a section from the Bible, how the Quran came to be, what things have been proven yet people still claim otherwise..it's really quite sad and pathetic.

Do with this what you may.

I really don't care what anyone's beliefs are. As I mentioned, if you are a good person by most people's standards, that's all that matters.

I would like to correct something you said. While the three religions are overlapping in most the prophets, stories etc. None were derived from the other. Each religion believes their book was created through a specific prophet by God (originally).

As far as a prophet coming back. Our belief is he is coming back at the end of time (fwiw).

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Agree to disagree I suppose.

http://m.state.gov/md123085.htm

Quick rebuttal.
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.
The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

It does not track Domestic Terrorists, i.e. the Tea party, KKK, Neo Nazis, (all pretty much the same)

[Goat Blower]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

It does not track Domestic Terrorists, i.e. the Tea party, KKK, Neo Nazis, (all pretty much the same)

Here we go, the stupidity begins. I'm sure the main stream media is covering up all the Tea Party violence happening around the country.

[jeremy1375]

This entire argument is unresolvable. It isn't about anything more than an ancient argument over land - nothing more.

This is when the Catholics were the terrorists.
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades

Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

Christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

All groups have their fair share of fucking retards.

[turbotalon1g]

Originally Posted by polishmafia

I wonder if Enes is just sitting back with some popcorn....

[DSMINMN]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

It does not track Domestic Terrorists, i.e. the Tea party, KKK, Neo Nazis, (all pretty much the same)

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Here we go, the stupidity begins. I'm sure the main stream media is covering up all the Tea Party violence happening around the country.

I'm just amazed at the logic of some of you. Shown here as well as threads of the past.

Anti-Judeo Christian (in any and all forms)? Perfect. Left wing as possible? Perfection; life. Nonsensical? What we strive for.

tpunx99GSX - If you honestly believe that the Tea Party is a terrorist group you need mental help. Really you do. I mean for God's sake the Tea Party's mission statement - "Our mission is to bring awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, The United States of America. - See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/#sthash.ZM4qCHXB.dpuf".

Or check http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/.


I would ask what you think makes the Tea Party a terrorist group but I don't care to hear you spout off some sort of illogical babel.


The Tea Party a terrorist group? Jesus..

[Halon]

Stop arguing, you aren't going to change someones mind regarding topics as deeply rooted as religion and politics on an internet chat board.

It's pretty shallow in my opinion to place judgement on someone based solely on what book they do or do not follow.

With that being said, I'm checking out of this thread.

[DSMINMN]

Originally Posted by Halon

Stop arguing, you aren't going to change someones mind regarding topics as deeply rooted as religion and politics on an internet chat board.

It's pretty shallow in my opinion to place judgement on someone based solely on what book they do or do not follow.

With that being said, I'm checking out of this thread.

I'm not going to touch the first part simply because it's an entirely different can of worms to be opened. I have to chuckle though. In the same mention of thinking one's own opinion is shallow, you call their (as well as others), view or belief a simple following of a book. When really it's much more than that. It shows were you stand. You dug yourself into that hole!

With that being said, don't let the door hit you. Don't be surprised if I follow closely though. I don't exactly like wasting more time than I already have.

[goodhart]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=g7TAAw3oQvg

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by goodhart

http://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=g7TAAw3oQvg

Wow. There is so much wrong with that video I don't even want to begin that discussion. Your view on the religion is pretty clear though.

I'd love to know how they "polled" all those people.. those "facts" are ridiculous.

This thread is now headed a bad direction.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by goodhart

http://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=g7TAAw3oQvg

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progres...-put-to-death/

How many Christians are radicals by the measures in that video?

I have more than one facebook friend who suspects 9/11 was a conspiracy carried out by the U.S. so they would also be radicals by those measures.