Obamacare, Opinions? - Page 2

A//// Guy · 08-22-2012

Tom do you really think most people on welfare act that way though? There are tons and tons of people who abuse welfare and there is little to no regulation. Finally Florida made it a law to submit to drug tests before you get any type of welfare, which seems like common sense! People on welfare in certain areas of the country are there because there are no jobs, but a lot of them don't care to work either. Having more and more children seems to be a better idea since the govt hands out even more money that way. That is the problem, its a chain of events that has made it way too easy to just hold on to that lifestyle. There should be limits to welfare IMO.

It does all come down to wasting money, and the govt seems to be a Pro at that. Sadly I don't see either side fixing that issue. Things are way out of control and I really do question how obamacare will get paid for, regardless of whats on paper. While id love to see everyone in the country be able to afford decent healthcare, the cost is really the problem.

tpunx99GSX · 08-22-2012

Honestly I would really like to see an agenda free study done on welfare abuses. Which in the coming years should be very easily done now that they have changed to EBT cards, which can track purchases. I do not think that the stereo type of a welfare recipient meets the criteria that the media tends to push.
On the drug testing, the results have varied greatly based on the study reporter, varying between 4% and 37% on a number of different variables, such as weather alcohol and prescription drugs are considered drug abuse. Conservative media outlets seem to push the idea that all welfare recipients are drug abusers. The main push behind this as we talked about in the SB a couple days ago, is that if they are receiving public money they should submit to a drug test, well then i want congress, senate and the president and any other public official to submit to the same drug test as they receive pubic money.
Also you want to decrease spending, well this FL law is actually not saving FL ANY money, its actually costing more money than its saving. We have gotten a bit off topic here, maybe a new thread is in order as this is a good subject.

**Halon** · 08-22-2012

I would hope the president and those in office are subject to drug screening. Anyone here that was recently in the military can tell you that we were all subject to random drug screening at any time. I was typically tested about twice a year.

tpunx99GSX · 08-22-2012

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Originally Posted by Halon

I would hope the president and those in office are subject to drug screening. Anyone here that was recently in the military can tell you that we were all subject to random drug screening at any time. I was typically tested about twice a year.

They are not.

Speedfreak · 08-22-2012

Free Govt money is abused like no other. It's a science many people have mastered and live their life on it. Being involved in low income rental properties over the last few years, it's amazing how many different programs people get money for, and get their rent/expenses etc paid for. These people have no intention of finding jobs, or ever doing better for themselves. They just keep taking. They value money so little(because it all comes free), that when they leave your property(move out), they leave everything they accumulated behind instead of taking their stuff with them. They just start over in the next place with their free govt money. It's ridiculous.

**JET** · 08-24-2012

You definitely could regulate what people can and can't buy. You can buy flour, sugar, chicken, hamburger, etc. I don't care what brand it is. You can't buy cookies, chips, premade meals, frozen pizza, etc. They can live and have a decent variety, but they shouldn't be able to get whatever they want. The WIC program does this and has got more strict the way it seems. Look for the WIC tags next to stuff the next time you are in Target or a grocery store. And I would be totally against a government run store.

A//// Guy · 08-24-2012

Regulating what they buy is very socialist imo. Americaaa the freee, except if you are on welfare.

**JET** · 08-24-2012

It could be seen as a form of Marxist socialism, but that is not what I intended. I see unemployment/welfare/food stamps as a temporary means to help someone who has fallen on hard times. It happens and I have no problem helping those people get back on their feet. I am even willing to help those people get an education and contribute to society more.

We totally fail at making a transition from welfare to the working place, their is no incentive for them to get off welfare. You actually make less or the same money if you get a job. Why work for free? Instead of lowering welfare by 100% of what the people earn, we need to lower it 50%. Then they are at least making more money than what they were and will have incentive to work more and eventually get off of welfare.

A//// Guy · 08-24-2012

What I really dont understand is how some of those people keep getting welfare, I know for people who i know that have lost jobs, they have to prove they are looking for work and they even call the people you are interviewing with to prove it. How do the slackers keep the money rolling in? Thats where the problem lies, not enough regulation in some aspects.

It seems like the legit people who lost jobs in the economic slump, are the ones that get cut off after a while, while the legit leechers just produce more kids to keep money flowing?

I agree on more regulation as far as how the money should be spent. Id say no cell phones, cadillacs, etc. lol

tpunx99GSX · 08-27-2012

The problem with the statements above on regulating welfare etc, is that no matter what obama or the next president does, it will immediately be labeled socialism. If a conservative does it, the liberals will throw all of the past socialism remarks in their faces, if the liberal does it, then the conservatives will have a field day saying that capitalism is dead, and socialism lives, nanny state, big brother watching etc.
It def wont happen this year as it is an election year.
Pete, Also working in the healthcare industry i have noticed that our company welcomes it, our legal person is a liberal, but I'm not sure about the rest. But he has spoken out about the reform and is really for it. But like you said, it is a matter of perspective.
I like to think of this as a step towards the greater good. Of course i am a liberal as everyone and their mother knows, but i guess i like to think that everyone deserves to be healthy. and now that healthcare reform is done, (although we can still make changes and improve the new system) i think as humans, brothers, sisters, friends, we need to get pissed at people that are abusing the system, and speak out. But not in the current form, where we group a large amount of people into a bucket and yell at them, but when you witness something like this or something that isnt adding up with someone you actually know, call them out, and say what the fuck are you doing with your life. Call it human reform.