Iraq War Prisoner Abuse

[LightningGSX]

You posted a link to it and you can't even spell it?. Its spelled GENEVA not geniva.

[Enes]

Originally posted by TalonTSiDude@May 7 2004, 09:51 AM
"War is hell."

Really? hmm thanx for reminding me but i haven't forgotten!!!

-E

[npaulseth]

Originally posted by LightningGSX@May 7 2004, 08:53 AM
You posted a link to it and you can't even spell it?. Its spelled GENEVA not geniva.

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Quote (enes @ may 7 2004, 8:18 am)

JasonR ... you have a bad bad attitude... one that is not for this world.. have you seen any of us try to push one way or another... wtf man.. don't make me upset, you would't like me upset... ooh vote this man, vote that man, i'll piss both ways too.. uhh.. i'm out, i am getting very upset.... need a punching bag... fuk this chit.. i hate everything.

Are you serious? I have a bad attitude because I gave a political opinion. That must go for the majority that stands for something. You piss both ways, what do you care, if your upset, your weak minded. Your funny. I could never get upset over one persons opinion or belief because its everywhere. You must spend allot of time punching your bag. Obviously voting one way or another has a direct effect on what we see in the picture. The post was meant to create reply's. Mine was pretty strong. Respect everyones view. I think it is terrible and wonder about the mind set about the soldiers, but what do I know, I am not being shot at. We are lucky to have opinions.

[Enes]

actually what got me pissed off in your post is "vote for this " let people make their own opinion and vote on what they think is right and what they want to vote.. don't be trying to feed people on what they should do.

you calling me weak minded? what do you know about me.... you know nothing about me so sit down ...... (edited by enes)

-E

[A//// Guy]

Bush did apologize yesterday...

I think what the soldiers did is wrong but I back Bush. I dont find this comparable to anything that happened in Iraq before we came over there to "free" Iraq.

I didnt hear or see anything about that girl you guys are talking about. Can anyone link me to a story or whatever?

[npaulseth]

Either Star Trib, or Pioneer Press has a good article on this, and on the guy who "blew the whistle."

[Matt D.]

JasonR, if you knew anything about Enes you would understand why he's upset. Keep up the good work, keyboard warrior.

[Goat Blower]

This is definitely wrong. Prisoners of war get slapped around a little, that's how it is. But to take pictures humiliating them and treating them as sub-human is not right, at least not by the Geneva Convention standards. We need to take the moral high road here, even though the same courtesy might not be extended to us.

And it's not Bush's fault, nor Rumsfeld's, it's the rogue action of a couple of enlisted men and women taking advantage of their power. They should be court martialed, but to put our highest officials on trial for this is absolute crap. It stinks of a democratic plot to bring down the president and his staff during election year. :stick:

[npaulseth]

Originally posted by Goat Blower@May 7 2004, 12:57 PM
And it's not Bush's fault, nor Rumsfeld's, it's the rogue action of a couple of enlisted men and women taking advantage of their power. They should be court martialed, but to put our highest officials on trial for this is absolute crap. It stinks of a democratic plot to bring down the president and his staff during election year. :stick:

I agree with you mostly, although the responsibility soley falls on Rumsfeld's shoulders. He is responsible for these war camps, and somehow should have had better supervision of his troops. I will agree with you that I don't think this was ordered, and really shouldn't make Bush look too bad.

Until you get the fist hand experiance being the abused one (ie. the naked man in that picture) you will not get Enes's point. Also just beacuse they would be able to do something like this to the US soldiers that doesn't mean you can justify what happend down there as it doesn't make you any better then them. Yes War is Hell and war is wrong.

Coloreful??















Taken from: http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/7th.html

Following is the text of the Supplemental United States Submission of information to the United Nations Security Council in Accordance with Paragraph 5 of Resolution 771 (1992) and Paragraph 1 of Resolution 780 (1992), dated April 12, 1993.

"A 57-year-old Bosnian Muslim witnessed ethnic cleansing of Prijedor in late July 1992. The Serbs in Prijedor killed large numbers of Muslims in the Muslim section located in the city center. The witness saw them massacred 18 Muslim men at the home of Mustafa Ceric, who was one of the victims. JNA soldiers cut off two fingers (the little finger and the ring finger) of each man's hand "so they could make the sign of the cross." The they cut off the men's noses and ears, and finally cut their throats."


and then

"According to Muslim witnesses, Muslims conducted revenge killings in Gorazde during the summer of 1992, executing innocent Serbs summarily and destroying whole districts where Serbs have congregated. Gorazde city officials confirmed that there had been no trials."


PS. Enes and my self harbor lot of hate toward certain Bosnians but im glad we haven't gone mad. Friend of mine (Bosnian Serb) killed him self a week ago by jumping in front of the train. Can you guess why???

Just drop the subject as no one is innocent!

[Jacek]

Jecek, two wrongs don't make a right. We should be better than this.

i dont believe having down to bare clothes is wrong. a picture is worth a thousand words, how to choose to look at it is your choice. of course i agree with the leash is crap.

[JET]

If war is wrong, there would be no US right now. We would be part of England, France, Spain or later in WWII, Japan. War is a terrible, necessary thing. If you want to be a left wing liberal, then the country won't be able to defend itself. The trees that you hugged aren't going to stop an invading army!

You have to stand up for what you believe in. Now I do not agree with all wars, Vietnam was carried out totally wrong. Civil Wars should be left to their own people. If you want to give supplies to one, fine, but don't send our men in to die for their country. The same is pretty much true for Iraq. Send our guys in, get the job done, and get the hell out! I don't understand why we are still over there. Give the good guys a bunch of arms, train them and head out.

[npaulseth]

Originally posted by JET@May 9 2004, 05:32 PM
If war is wrong, there would be no US right now.  We would be part of England, France, Spain or later in WWII, Japan.  War is a terrible, necessary thing.  If you want to be a left wing liberal, then the country won't be able to defend itself.  The trees that you hugged aren't going to stop an invading army!

You have to stand up for what you believe in.  Now I do not agree with all wars, Vietnam was carried out totally wrong.  Civil Wars should be left to their own people.  If you want to give supplies to one, fine, but don't send our men in to die for their country.  The same is pretty much true for Iraq.  Send our guys in, get the job done, and get the hell out!  I don't understand why we are still over there.  Give the good guys a bunch of arms, train them and head out.

Ok, I agree with you on about most things you said, but Clinton took part in a "conflict" if I remember right. I never said that we shouldn't be at war right now either, and I'm a democrat. Generalizing that all democrats will never go to war is idiotically wrong. It's just that we don't want to.

Update on the scandal, thier are now reports of rape, forced rape, and homicide coming out of that prison.

[JDM]

I'm not a moderator, but I think we need to remember that we are all US citizens, and we all are entitled to an opinion, but we cannot personally insult and attack each other, here or anywhere.

Let's play nice.

And God Bless America

[Halon]

I think all that crap was wrong. And I know those couple pics will probably make the entire armed forces look bad. Sucks because I would never do anything like that, and i feel bad for the people. But the military is just like anywhere else. You always have your retards who are gunna act a fool and make us look like idiots. Damn the retards!!!

[npaulseth]

Originally posted by me612@May 9 2004, 06:26 PM
I think all that crap was wrong. And I know those couple pics will probably make the entire armed forces look bad. Sucks because I would never do anything like that, and i feel bad for the people. But the military is just like anywhere else. You always have your retards who are gunna act a fool and make us look like idiots. Damn the retards!!!

100% agree. It's sad because from the way it sounds, it was 8 gaurds involved, and whom ever their superiors were.

Noah

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by npaulseth@May 9 2004, 06:02 PM
Update on the scandal, thier are now reports of rape, forced rape, and homicide coming out of that prison.

I hope this information isn't coming from Al-Jezeera.

[npaulseth]

CNN

[AJ]

same thing