Standalones

[A//// Guy]

anycar can go higher than 100% I dont know why or whats the limit but I guess Ive seen that before with alot of cars. My car with fuel cut if it goes that high...

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally posted by SlowWhite@Jan 12 2004, 12:05 PM
My opinion on the Stand alone system. is this

For my 2G I wish I could go back and get the DSMLINK back when I first got my car.* It opened my eyes to so much more then just EGT Temps and SAFC controls.

However I'm one of those people that has the laptop running each time I go out.

I love it because of the wide range of things I can do with it.* Not just Fuel/Timing controls.

* I can log almost any thing on my car.* And because of that it allowed me to find several faults in my Set up.* From running 115% IDC on my RC 550's running 20psi on pump gas, to High intake temps.

Plus it has the Stutterbox and NLTS Capabilities which I'm loving.

At all times I'm logging/watching:
-timing, knock,IDC, A/F Ratio, HP, RPMS. FRONT 02,Int Temp,Cool Temp,LTFT LO, LTFT, Air Flow lbs/mn, AirFlow g/s, AirFlow per Rev g/rev , LTFT Mid.

Anycase I say a stand alone is something that no matter what HP.* Is a useful tool that's well worth the money and won't be a waiste.

-Brian

Yea, but the DSMlink is not as confusing or time consuming as a standalone.


As for Iceman, get a car first, then go from there as to what you wanna do with it. For all you know, you could buy this standalone and never build a car worthy and end up using it on a 14b with exhaust :stick: Maybe not even that.




How do you expect to run a standalone? .. jk :cheers:

[CVD]

My duty cycle sits in the low 130 range at 22psi on pump gas. Thats according to the logger with both a VPC and an AFC. I have no clue how either of these affect the signal though.

[SlowWhite]

I don't know what the limit is on the IDC. But when ever I went WOT it was always over 100%.

With my 650's it was usually at around 96%


Hense why I upgraded to 850's.

Hoping with a good dyno tune by shane that'll get down into the 80% at WOT.

-brian

[niterydr]

1)Injector duty cycle doesn't mean how long they are open, it means how long the ecu is requiring them to be open, when idc's are over 100% you are running static, and your injectors are too small.
2)James will have a car worthy of many controllers or standalone ECU system.
3) When you post questions like this, especially a site with a bunch of locals on it, who constantly jab at each other, you will get a bunch of unsupported and/or fraudulent answers.
Just my $.02.
Want to learn about the systems?
www.aempower.com
www.apexi-usa.com
etc..etc..etc..try searching forums for more than one type of car, and see how the general feel for the controller(s) is/are.

I'll let you in on a secret.
Everyone will love the s-afc, they are easy to use, cheap to buy, and apex-i has flooded the market with them, they have practically shoveled the units out there back door.
The other big companies (HKS, Greddy, etc) all have controllers, but they aren't as hyped up.
AEM has mixed feedback. The ones that get it, get it, the ones that don't, well their cars don't run, and you hear about it on every forum. Standalones are better than piggybacks, no questions asked. The only question you should ask is of yourself. How confident are you in your own personal learning abilities?

Every piggyback on the market is 'plug and play' thus allowing the user to say they 'tune' there car, when most of the time, the car would run better if it had no controller on it at all. Then there are folks who slap on standalones on cars that have no business using them (hence what quest was hinting towards). Finally there are actually 'tuners' out there that understand what IDC, A/F, ignition timing maps, injector pulse width (see IDC), flame fronts, detonation, knock, knock sum, fuel tables, fuel curves, fuel enrichment, decel/accel, etc..etc..etc.. what all that stands for, what it does, and how everything works together.
Sorry for the rant, but some of the replies on this thead just erk me the wrong way, but I guess this is the parking lot, not advanced tech/basic tech.
I think I am just going to hold back up in the tech forums, lol.

In the end, its his call, its just how confident he feels about his abilities/trusts the opinions of peers.

[SlowWhite]

It's all a learning game. No one came into this world with the knowledge of how everything works.

Like I mentioned before the dsmlink opened up a whole new world of tuning for me.

Before then all I knew was EGT's and which way to go with the SAFC settings.

I had no logging capabilites or anything else to let me know what happened when I changed something all I went by was what the settings were after an hr of dyno time. Ran the car on the street and then made note of where everything was at.

EGT's, SAFC Settings. Then when ever the temps changed or what not I just changed the SAFC Settings so that the EGT's were close to where they were on the dyno. (not really a good method but hey it was working well enough to make me happy)

Now with the Logger I can actually see what happens when I make a change. (and I can now understand a couple words of what Josh was talking about in that last post where as before I felt like Joey from Friends.

-brian
ps: in anycase it is your choice. SAFC is easy to use and understand. But buy a logger also.

[Iceman]

I have been ready the AEM forums for about 2 months now. I have a good grasp on how it works and all but some things still on there are hard to understand without it in your hands. I'm going with the AEM EMS with 3.5Bar sensor. Along with the wideband that jet has had good experince with (thanks agian). I understand basic tuning and than some. Even if I can't tune it, I have friends that know how to use it.

Umm thanks some...

[JET]

I also have the AEM (klavico) 3.5bar sensor. It is the one to have. I would recommend tapping its own port on the intake manifold to give it a good solid reading.

Brian- Do you have a wideband? If not, go sit in the corner with Chris Carey! Without it you are using maybe 50% of the potential of the DSMlink and stand a good risk of killing your car. It will be one of the best $300 you ever spent.

[Super Bleeder!!]

Originally posted by JET@Jan 13 2004, 11:23 PM

Brian- Do you have a wideband? If not, go sit in the corner with Chris Carey!

ahhh haha. the memories from the SO last year all come flooding back to me.

[SlowWhite]

Originally posted by gixxer+Jan 14 2004, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gixxer @ Jan 14 2004, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JET@Jan 13 2004, 11:23 PM

Brian- Do you have a wideband?&nbsp; If not, go sit in the corner with Chris Carey!

ahhh haha. the memories from the SO last year all come flooding back to me. [/b][/quote]
HUH? :smoker:


I haven't made it to a shoot out yet? I don't own a Wideband so I'm off to the corner. :headache:

I do plan on getting one eventually. But I'm more into driving my car then tuning which is why I had over 75 pulls on the Dyno with my GS-T. I know I'm not the smartest when it comes to tuning I feel I'm just starting. Until I feel confident enough I'll let Shane tune my car.

I'll be looking into the WB once I do the turbo upgrade. (probably sometime next Fall)