12-02-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
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Gas line is super easy now, use the flexible stainless stuff. I just ran a line 55' and it took me an hour to do it. CSST is what they call it and Menards has the better stuff. Should only need a 1/2" line run to it. I scored a 30k BTU heater on CL for $35 to supplement the in floor heat. All hooked up and heating for $150 total.
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Hmm. I may investigate this option. I may just mount the heater, run this kind of line, and then see how I feel about the last connection to the houses gas line.
What's used to seal the connections? Would I be shutting down the entire houses gas supply to do this or just the section I'm working on?
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12-02-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Just the section, take soapy water spray connection to check for leaks.
I had to do this for my drier in my place, I was mega scared, but the house didn't explode so I take it as a job well done.
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12-02-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
It is just a threaded fitting that goes in your gas manifold. You may have to shut the house down temporarily if there isn't a valve on the run you will be working on. Once you get the valve in you can kick it back on. You seal the threads with Harvey seal or liquid ptfe.
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12-07-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Went to Menards yesterday and checked out the csst stuff. Getting more comfortable with the diy option.
In trying to figure out where to place the heater, I have two good spots. Each would be sourcing the gas from a different ng gas line. Each would be from a similar junction (see pictures).
My question about the two junctions. They both have a cap at the same point, pointing toward the ground, near where they enter a furnace. Is this a valid point to take ng from? Just curious, as it seems like there is no reason to have those "T" junctions at those points other than maybe there is a reason for those caps at those points?
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12-07-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Could only attach one pic per post..
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12-10-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Yes, you could tap in to the gas line there. The csst was really easy.
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12-10-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Momin, the guy texted me back finally, he's supposed to come over Saturday to give me a real quote.
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12-10-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
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Originally Posted by Speedfreak
Went to Menards yesterday and checked out the csst stuff. Getting more comfortable with the diy option.
In trying to figure out where to place the heater, I have two good spots. Each would be sourcing the gas from a different ng gas line. Each would be from a similar junction (see pictures).
My question about the two junctions. They both have a cap at the same point, pointing toward the ground, near where they enter a furnace. Is this a valid point to take ng from? Just curious, as it seems like there is no reason to have those "T" junctions at those points other than maybe there is a reason for those caps at those points?
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I'd google it a bit. I know water lines have that extra length acting as an anti-hammer relief. Older houses have that hammering sound sometimes, this cured that. I'm not sure if it's the same for gas, but it's worth checking into. I T'd mine off the copper line in the ceiling above my hot water heater, and ran more copper line out to the garage.
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12-10-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
1/4 psi won't be creating any hammering
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12-10-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
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1/4 psi won't be creating any hammering
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Is that all the pressure is? I thought it was like 5 psi.
Ha, the gas mixers I sell here at work operate at almost 150 psi incoming, with up to 4500 l/min of flow. I'm not used to this wimpy house stuff.
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12-11-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
I installed a ventless heater a couple years ago. The supply coming into my house is 2 psi. The heater will list specifications for gas pressure. IIRC, the specs for input pressure on mine mine were 5-10.5" inches of water. I had to install a regulator and put together a diy manometer to set the pressure. The heater won't work right if the pressure is wrong.
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12-11-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
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Is that all the pressure is? I thought it was like 5 psi.
Ha, the gas mixers I sell here at work operate at almost 150 psi incoming, with up to 4500 l/min of flow. I'm not used to this wimpy house stuff.
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2psi coming out of the meter, then gets dropped to 1/4 psi for the appliances (there is a big regulator shortly after coming in the house). 1/4 psi = 7" of water to go with the above post.
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12-11-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
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Momin, the guy texted me back finally, he's supposed to come over Saturday to give me a real quote.
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Cool let me know how it goes. I may elect to have someone do it completely. Or maybe do the leg work and have him tie into the gas line etc.
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Originally Posted by JET
Yes, you could tap in to the gas line there. The csst was really easy.
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Cool. Yeah, looks simple enough.
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Originally Posted by Goat Blower
I'd google it a bit. I know water lines have that extra length acting as an anti-hammer relief. Older houses have that hammering sound sometimes, this cured that. I'm not sure if it's the same for gas, but it's worth checking into. I T'd mine off the copper line in the ceiling above my hot water heater, and ran more copper line out to the garage.
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Those points are the online spots I'd feel comfortable touching myself. Don't want to cut and T in anywhere.
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Originally Posted by jeremy1375
I installed a ventless heater a couple years ago. The supply coming into my house is 2 psi. The heater will list specifications for gas pressure. IIRC, the specs for input pressure on mine mine were 5-10.5" inches of water. I had to install a regulator and put together a diy manometer to set the pressure. The heater won't work right if the pressure is wrong.
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The instructions ask for a shut off valve and I think I remember a regulator. I'll make a parts list based on their instructions before I do anything.
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12-15-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
This is crazy, this is now the third guy who has set a time to come check out my garage setup who has gone MIA the day he was supposed to come over. No show, and no replies to calls/texts. This guy actually did it to me twice after he said oops for missing the first appointment and we rescheduled. This is nutty. Oh well.
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12-16-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
I wouldn't waste any more time there then. that sucks.
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12-16-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Does anyone use Angie's list to find not only companies but also general handymen for something like this?
If not and want to I'd be happy to at least look for people to pass info along. Usually if they are in AL it's for a reason and they don't just no show.
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12-16-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Im going to ask the guy doing my theater room finishing if he will do it. If he doesnt, then yeah id totally love to give that a shot.
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12-17-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
Sucky, I feel your pain. I hate working with contractors for this reason.
Mo, either of those spots look fine. Just make sure you have a shut-off valve somewhere upstream, treat it like water....turn on stove or a burner, go shut valve off, wait for burner to go out, be sure to shut it off. Always have a back-out plan once you open the pipe up--you don't want to be in a spot where you cannot run your furnace or anything.
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12-21-2014
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12-22-2014
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Re: Wanted, garage heat!
I was confused by the specs on that and it turns out that unit does not having a heating option, it is just A/C. The last 3 numbers of the product after the 42 tell you the kW of heat, this one is 000 which means no heat.
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