I just want to take a quick poll...

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Oooooh, they changed a draft copy, that is horrible! Oh wait, isn't that the whole point of a draft? At least McCain didn't say he was a muslim when he has always said he was a christian.

IT WASNT A DRAFT.
"The document posted and e-mailed by the McCain campaign on Tuesday night says at the end of its first full paragraph: “Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.”

So the government would buy the mortgages at a discounted rate, reflecting the declining value of the mortgage paper.

But when McCain reissued the document on Wednesday, that sentence was missing, to the dismay of many conservatives."

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

Haha you guys are funny. You do know we are screwed with either candidate don't you?

Thats a total cop out. Cant get much worse then what bush has done for the past 8 years.

Obama is DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. His policies and views from what i have seen are whats best for America. He actually goes into to details on what his plans entail for America. Instead of stupid ass McCain who will say anything (no matter true nor false) to stop his campaign from going down the shitter. (which by pretty much every site and poll out there, already has.)

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

IT WASNT A DRAFT.
"The document posted and e-mailed by the McCain campaign on Tuesday night says at the end of its first full paragraph: “Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.”

So the government would buy the mortgages at a discounted rate, reflecting the declining value of the mortgage paper.

But when McCain reissued the document on Wednesday, that sentence was missing, to the dismay of many conservatives."

Why can't it be a draft just because it was emailed to some people? I have made a ton of procedures and formal documents, I always send them out in draft format to the parties involved to see if there is anything I should change.

Besides, why is it actually bad? He went AGAINST what the republicans wanted, you should be happy Tom!

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by JET

Besides, why is it actually bad? He went AGAINST what the republicans wanted, you should be happy Tom!

Tom doesn't care about that, he only cares b/c it gives him something to bitch about and point the blame finger over nothing while attempting to make McCain look bad.

[A//// Guy]

Haha you guys are funny. You do know we are screwed with either candidate don't you?

[JET]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

Haha you guys are funny. You do know we are screwed with either candidate don't you?

I totally agree. I think Obama will be the worst, but the one good thing that might come out of it is opening people's eyes and getting them to look at a 3rd party. We need to kill this stupid 2 party system, they are both utterly corrupt and dysfunctional.

[Kracka]

Are democrats able to do anything besides sling shit? I mean that both literally and figuratively.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Are democrats able to do anything besides sling shit? I mean that both literally and figuratively.

Appearantly its all in the point of view. Because i think the same way about republicans. To me it seems like all McCain and his camp do is sling shit.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Are democrats able to do anything besides sling shit? I mean that both literally and figuratively.

And the Republican party "isn't" trying to paint a picture of Obama as a terrorist by calling him by his middle name and talking about how he is hanging out with terrorist? Right now, CNN is talking about how McCain's reputation is being ruined by the way he is running his campaign.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Right now, CNN is talking about how McCain's reputation is being ruined by the way he is running his campaign.

Imagine that. That's like saying FOX News is saying bad things about Obama

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

And the Republican party "isn't" trying to paint a picture of Obama as a terrorist by calling him by his middle name and talking about how he is hanging out with terrorist? Right now, CNN is talking about how McCain's reputation is being ruined by the way he is running his campaign.

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

[clean2g]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

1) His genealogy is not from the Middle East, Africa is not in the Middle East, last time I checked a map.
2) There's no proof he's a Muslim, and I don't appreciate that statement, being a Muslim myself. Just because I'm a Muslim doesn't mean I should be denied or disrespected if I ran for office. Yea, people think Muslims are terrorists, but that's because we've been given a bad name by some inhumane people, who claim to be Muslims. Frankly, a person's religion doesn't make a difference, and shouldn't make a difference as long as they are capable of doing the job and they don't mix their religion into it.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

Originally Posted by clean2g

1) His genealogy is not from the Middle East, Africa is not in the Middle East, last time I checked a map.
2) There's no proof he's a Muslim, and I don't appreciate that statement, being a Muslim myself. Just because I'm a Muslim doesn't mean I should be denied or disrespected if I ran for office. Yea, people think Muslims are terrorists, but that's because we've been given a bad name by some inhumane people, who claim to be Muslims. Frankly, a person's religion doesn't make a difference, and shouldn't make a difference as long as they are capable of doing the job and they don't mix their religion into it.

WoW, Chris, I have seen that undertone in your comments, but that is just wrong. Like clean2g, I am also a Muslim. I find it VERY weird that somehow in this election people are/can simply say he might be a Muslim and that somehow automatically eliminates him as a candidate. If you believe all Muslims are terrorists, you are blind to the other 1 BILLION Muslims that are normal God fearing people who are very decent human beings. The fact that you and others try to point at his name, and where his father was from as a negative is truly a sad point in American history. Obama was born in HI.. he is an American, that's it. He also happens to be a Christian, so that should be good enough for all the Americans who do not like Muslims.

This election year is very sad to watch from a Muslim point of view. We now all know what people think of us.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

Isn't Obama from Hawaii? Born and raised pot smoking surfer? haha, that makes him look good!

[slowbubblecar]

Right now I am watching a Republican strategist talking about how it is hurting the campaign.

[Kracka]

I respect your opinions and comments; but he just has a few too many questionable things surround him for my taste. I have nothing against you, your skin color, or any religion you choose...the once or twice we met I thought you were a cool dude. I'm not denying or disrespecting Obama (or anyone else for that matter) in any way. As in all elections people are free to voice their opinions and choose the person who they feel best represents them, their opinions, morals, and ideals. I prefer it be someone with a strong political and military background to help get us out of the mess we're already in.

We have obviously gotten different info b/c I have heard he has very little "African American" in him and has openly admitted to being Muslim. Anyway, if McCain is to lose, I think I'd rather it be to Obama than Clinton!

[1QUICK4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM

[mdost03]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM

Just watched that, hilarious! I love the trap door ideas.

Here's another good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

[Kracka]

If anyone on this board is convinced that I think any less of them because of skin color or religion then so be it, but I can assure you right now that is not the case. I've known you for a long time Mo and think you're a great guy and have nothing at all against you. I'm free to have my opinions and vote for who I want for the reasons I want. This supposed connection with William Ayers (among many other things) is just a little too questionable for my comfort.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Kracka

If anyone on this board is convinced that I think any less of them because of skin color or religion then so be it, but I can assure you right now that is not the case. I've known you for a long time Mo and think you're a great guy and have nothing at all against you.

Good to hear, thanks for the clarification.

I dropped out of this thread a while ago because these kinds(political) of conversations never go anywhere, but when Religion(my religion) gets thrown out there as a purely negative thing, I have to honestly say it's offensive.

And like all highly political subjects, it's all propaganda.. going both way's.. It's the biggest game in the world, and whatever will work to change peoples minds is what will be spewed as fact.. when in fact it's all taken out of context and misconstrued(again, on both sides of the game).

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

This supposed connection with William Ayers (among many other things) is just a little too questionable for my comfort.

Just because you knew someone does not make you that person. Obamas connection with Ayers is far from best buddies.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia on Bill Ayers

"Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform."[41] Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[42] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[42] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.[41] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[42] The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[43] In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[41] CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[44] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship".