SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark) - Page 5

**goodhart** · 11-12-2010

I also have a leftover parts tranny, a 1g. I'd let the whole thing go for cheap if you need it.

My Uber-built TRE trans is still up in the air as far as waranty also, if it gets warranteed from Jon, it will bolt onto your car if you would be interested. It has a 2g bell housing.

twack · 11-12-2010

Ive known jake for many years. were friends and i now do all my own work on my DSM. he shot himself in the foot years back and made shit rough for himself. In this case he didnt screw cam over and in this case hes on the up and up, just for those wondering

**scheides** · 11-12-2010

Soon I'm going to move this to the tech section, there's really no good guy/bad guy feedback at all.

Speedfreak · 11-12-2010

Cam now has the 4 spider. I wish him luck on the rest of this situation.

Cammaxon · 11-16-2010

$130 shipping for my 145lb box.... on its way to TRE.

A//// Guy · 11-16-2010

What is the conclusion on Good vs bad dealings?

1QUICK4 · 11-16-2010

Glad to hear everything worked out for errrybody

Cammaxon · 11-16-2010

SO far, the only good/bad guy transaction i have to leave feedback on is Mo.
My transactions with him are complete.

Speedfreak (Mo) is a good guy, he made the mistake, admitted it, and went out of his way to make it right. I wish i would have known that it wasn't the right centerdiff for the evo3 gears but that was my mistake for not researching more before purchasing it. I agreed to buy it so i did. Hopefully TRE will be able to switch out the housing without charging me the whole $245....

Feedback will be left on TRK mark after TRE gets my transmission and let's me know the rundown (like if the intermediate shaft was damaged by putting the wrong center diff in) but so far i have a lot to explain.

Feedback will be left on jake after we get the transmission back and he installs it into my car but so far jake is a "good guy" in this transaction, it's just not complete yet.

Cammaxon · 11-19-2010

Mark good or bad buy? well see...

Jon from TRE called me today,
He explained that the way mark assembled the transmission never would have ran.

The 4-spider wouldn't match up to the 3rd and 4th gear, and the 5th and R wouldn't have shifted.

He also said that mark underestimated how clean a transmission build needs to be and with as much debris/gunk that he left in there would have caused it to fail.

I need a new 4-spider (the early trans 4spider i have will be for sale cheap once it comes back from TRE) and a new intermediate shaft.

He said that i should replace the 1st and 2nd that i got from mark because they are the crappiest 1st and 2nd available and the 2nd is single synchro. Mark told me that it was a double synchro TRE 2nd gear from a TRE transmission... The 1st and 2nd mark put in were not from a TRE transmission, Jon said they had the fiber synchros on them.

I gave mark $350 for all the parts i would need from that "TRE" donor transmission and $200 to put it together. I know he wasted his own time and gas putting it together and driving it half way to me so i'm not looking for a refund.

Just looking for him to do something to make it right.

twack · 11-19-2010

Damn Cam seemed you got scammed by TKR Mark pretty bad. sorry to hear all this

blackawdtsi · 11-19-2010

Question: How could he make it right without it including a refund?

He's made a conscious decision to NOT do what you paid him for and NOT given you the parts you intended to purchase from him. You've sent the trans to TRE so he can't rebuild it.

So what is it that you are looking for?

**mlomker** · 11-19-2010

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Originally Posted by blackawdtsi

So what is it that you are looking for?

An apology, apparently.

I can't say I've ever regretted any of the labor that I've paid for on my car. I've regretted overpaying for some of the parts. The moral is that you need to be mindful of where you try to save a buck.

Cammaxon · 11-19-2010

Mark said he would give me the $350 back for the trans if i can get all the parts back from him.

When the parts come back from TRE i'll let you know if he comes through on his word.

123abc · 11-19-2010

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Originally Posted by twack

Damn Cam seemed you got scammed by TKR Mark pretty bad. sorry to hear all this

X2 It's just so "crazy" he isn't replying in this thread....about him.....and his word....

Nice to know he's willing to budge on the refund idea after everything has come to the light.....

twack · 11-19-2010

Did Mark at least admit he had no clue what he was doing or just didnt give 2 shits while assembling that trans?

Cammaxon · 11-19-2010

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Originally Posted by twack

Did Mark at least admit he had no clue what he was doing or just didnt give 2 shits while assembling that trans?

He did not. the only response i have gotten so far about his work is on how dirty the inside of the transmission was and he said, "The hot tank only gets so much"

polishmafia · 11-19-2010

Wow.

Sorry this happened to you, Cam.

I'm really shocked Mark hasn't posted up in this thread. Unbelievable.

blackawdtsi · 11-19-2010

What a load of crap. He'll refund the shitty parts as long as he gets them back but won't refund his shitty work.

Says a lot about him.

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Originally Posted by 123abc

X2 It's just so "crazy" he isn't replying in this thread....about him.....and his word....

Nice to know he's willing to budge on the refund idea after everything has come to the light.....

I'm sure he won't ever reply to this thread because he doesn't have the cojones. He knows this is a lost battle. After all, would you come on a thread where multiple people spoke up about your crappy work, crappy parts, and general disregard for transaction satisfaction which is now 5 pages long?

tpunx99GSX · 11-22-2010

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Originally Posted by blackawdtsi

What a load of crap. He'll refund the shitty parts as long as he gets them back but won't refund his shitty work.

Says a lot about him.

I'm sure he won't ever reply to this thread because he doesn't have the cojones. He knows this is a lost battle. After all, would you come on a thread where multiple people spoke up about your crappy work, crappy parts, and general disregard for transaction satisfaction which is now 5 pages long?

Calm down dude. first of all, because he wont reply to a good guy/bad guy thread doesnt say anything about him as he is still answering his phone and working it out with the original poster. Secondly, IF he posts im sure it will be after everything is resolved. A lot of us have had good dealings with mark, but everyone makes mistakes. Sucks that this happened, but sometimes if you want a "built transmission" you need to send it out to one of the known transmission builders.
When you start calling people out as scam artists or such things get out of hand really fast. a lot of times things go spiraling out of control and reputations get damaged fast. No matter what they have done in the past they are forever damaged after a big mess up. Take for instance Jake. A lot of us (including myself) immediatly jumped on him as the cause because of his past, yet this time he wasnt at fault.
If I were you Cam, i would work with mark offline and after all is said and done, come back on here and tell us how it went. But dont give us updates until then as it does no good. Sorting these things out takes a bit of time, but its all about the end game. Mark is a friend of a LOT of people here, has been around the scene for longer than anyone that has posted in this thread, as long as he is still communicating with you then you shouldnt have anything to worry about.

Matt D. · 11-22-2010

In the end, you get what you pay for. Diamonds in the rough are out there, but is your time and money worth taking a risk?

I don't blame Mark for staying out of this online, all he'll get is an earful of shit no matter if he resolves this or not. You either like the guy or you don't, but giving an opinion one way or another when you aren't involved doesn't help one bit.