Confederate flag, yes or no?

[SlowWhite]

I fully agree with viscious. And just like I posted. I dont hold hatred to the english for enslaving the irish because its not taught in history openly which allowed it to just go away... much faster then if you constantly bring it up.

Hell my daughter lasted had to learn the language of the slaves. And spent the entire "black history" month focused on slavery.

So tell me how are we letting this subject go? How are we not teaching our children hatred and not to be racist (she's 9) and whites are definetely the minority in my area.
Out of 116 people here at work im 1 of 15 in the entire plant.

[jeremy1375]

^ Slavery is part of history and it needs to be taught in school. It's important to learn history so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

[AwdGSX13]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

^ Slavery is part of history and it needs to be taught in school. It's important to learn history so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

So the confederate battle flag is not part of history? It doesn't mean anything to me, but i'm sure some that live in the south still care what it stands for maybe? Today people just complain about something until others get annoyed enough to change it.

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

^ Slavery is part of history and it needs to be taught in school. It's important to learn history so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

So you think that if we remove the topic of slavery from schools. Slavery will return?

Im all for history, how ever if we are going to dedicate a month for black history(which I think is completely obsered) why not focus on all the positive contributions blacks have made , why focus (at least here, they focus on the negatives? Its like they want people to hate each other)

I have no problems putting the history of all people into schools, but just put it in, with the time lines you are teaching about when it pertains, there is no need to dedicate a month every year of a childs life to specifically learn about one topic. It just seems so redundant. It was slavery last year and it was slavery this year.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

^ Slavery is part of history and it needs to be taught in school. It's important to learn history so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

Exactly. Teach what happened, how terrible it was. But there is no need to demonize white people, which is exactly what is taught. That doesn't do good for anyone, just fans the flames. I had a professor once tell my class that minorities are INCAPABLE of being racist. What a load of shit.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Exactly. Teach what happened, how terrible it was. But there is no need to demonize white people, which is exactly what is taught. That doesn't do good for anyone, just fans the flames. I had a professor once tell my class that minorities are INCAPABLE of being racist. What a load of shit.

I haven't had the experience of any teacher demonizing whites for slavery.

I wonder if your professor was trying to make a point, but used the wrong words. Obviously any person of any color can be racist. But as a whole it isn't possible, at least in a true democracy, for the majority race to be oppressed by a minority race. A minority race can be oppressed by the majority race, however.

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

I haven't had the experience of any teacher demonizing whites for slavery.

I wonder if your professor was trying to make a point, but used the wrong words. Obviously any person of any color can be racist. But as a whole it isn't possible, at least in a true democracy, for the majority race to be oppressed by a minority race. A minority race can be oppressed by the majority race, however.

Issue is its not a specific minority race, its all the minorities combined that out number the majority and they are all working together for the first time.

Making the actual majority, a minority

[jeremy1375]

Yes, it's a part of history. Nobody's taking it out of history, just the South Carolina state capitol.

The Confederate flag is part of history. It's not part of the current government, which is why it doesn't belong at the capitol.

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Yes, it's a part of history. Nobody's taking it out of history, just the South Carolina state capitol.

The Confederate flag is part of history. It's not part of the current government, which is why it doesn't belong at the capitol.

And its not just south carolina. Several other states took it down as well but south carolina was just the point of focus due to the idiot in Charleston that happened to have a confederate in his house when police searched it. And then it blew up from there as the media made it a focal point, which turned it people jumping on the band wagon.
Thing is this is the south confederate flags are everywhere

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by SlowWhite

And its not just south carolina. Several other states took it down as well but south carolina was just the point of focus due to the idiot in Charleston that happened to have a confederate in his house when police searched it. And then it blew up from there as the media made it a focal point, which turned it people jumping on the band wagon.
Thing is this is the south confederate flags are everywhere

Crazy person shoots up a church and the flag gets blamed,...... and it only got blamed by an agenda, nothing more,....

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

LoL

Part joke, part thought provoking. There's so much misinformation on both sides of the discussion that it's hard to know what is accurate vs. the tactics of an agenda to rewrite history. But it does make people open their minds to think and research for themselves.

...

I read through that page and from my research, it appears to me that he is the one revising history. Read through South Carolina's declaration of secession. There is no spin there as it's straight from the horses mouth.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

It's boring as hell, but it contains the reasons for secession. About half way through they'll start giving specific reasons for withdrawing from the Union.

This is just one paragraph, but it shows that the subject of slavery is in there.

"A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

[jeremy1375]

All minorities races in the U.S. combined make up 22.3% of the population. Whites make up the other 77.7%

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/00

[SlowWhite]

Not sure how to word this point but here goes.
there maybe 77% whites but how many of those should be classified as minority.

As they, side themselves, act like, consider themselves, etc like minorities.

Not sure of a basis of income would be a better representation.

In my area it truly is almost to the point where i consider the white here... white trash/red neck
And the blacks seem to have more class in a lot of cases.


Its not like its - whites against the world type scenerio, there is mixing of the lines so to speak

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

All minorities races in the U.S. combined make up 22.3% of the population. Whites make up the other 77.7%

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/00

And Obama still got elected, twice (because that's how fucking smart we are) so I guess that throws the "you must be racist if you disagree with Obama" theory out the window.

[jeremy1375]

You forget that 59% of white voters chose Romney in the last election.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/pol...ps-voted-2012/

No racism here. Move along... lol

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

You forget that 59% of white voters chose Romney in the last election.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/pol...ps-voted-2012/

No racism here. Move along... lol

So that makes the other 41% racist? By way of comparison, 93% of blacks voted for Obama,........ so who's racist now?

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/pol...ps-voted-2012/