Confederate flag, yes or no?

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

What does it matter if there were black slave owners and that not all blacks were slaves? Whites have always been the majority in this country. There is a history in this country of some of the majority treating minorities as subhuman and unequal. In a majority rules kind of society, it's bound to happen. None of the race based groups you are mentioning except the Black Panthers are based any premise of marginalizing anyone else to achieve their goals.

You'll get to have your white race group whenever the white race starts to get treated as a minority.

Makes no sense at all ^^^ ,........ And you are right when you say "history" because for the past FIVE (5) decades everybody has had the same access to an education, medical care, etc. and then some. Those who apply themselves have always succeeded, black, white, brown, doesn't matter.

Do you not realize that by just having most of those groups makes blacks out to be unequal and unable to stand on their own? Keep making minorities out to be victims and they'll never get ahead. And maybe that's the point in all of it,......

You want everybody treated equal, stop playing favorites based on race. Racism knows no color restrictions. Blacks can be, and are in most cases, more racist than whites because many have been taught at home, church, school that all white people are evil which is just not the case.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Whites have always been the majority in this country.

Not anymore. Maybe the majority though history, but I'm alive now. I don't have any control over any ancestors, or yours, or anyone elses. If I even dare call myself "white", I get shit on. Fuck you political correctness and equal opportunity.

I am pretty certain that if all ethnic groups would just stop bringing up history and racism to our children, stop drawing these stupid lines, they could live in a world where no racism exists. But thanks to the KKK, NAACP, Black Panthers, all of the other "my race is the best and worst because of *", that isn't a world we live in.

[jeremy1375]

The south's equivalent of the Declaration of Independence was called the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union. It explains why they wanted to leave the Union. Have you read it? I have and its all about how they believe they have the right to keep slaves.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

[jeremy1375]

I've done some more reading. It says this in Mississippi's declaration "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world".

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

The Confederacy was about states rights in the same way that Mein Kampf was a book about a man with a vision. Both statements are true, yet they both disregard critical parts of the stories.

[SlowWhite]

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/...es/greeley.htm

And also the civil war started because the north was taxing the south, but instead of using those funds in the south they were using it to build the north. The south didnt think that was right.

Also Lincoln didnt originally make slaves free he even sayed hed leave it alone if the south continued to pay taxes.
It wasnt till the north started loosing the war and recruitement was at almost a stand still that he decided to then free slaves if they served time in the military.
Its funny actually the movie "the patriot" actually put this notion in the movie but I never even noticed it before.

[SlowWhite]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eman...n_Proclamation

Hell it was 2yrs after the war started the emancipation proclamation was given.

And it didnt even include all the slaves in the us. Only the 3 million in the states that succeeded not the 1 million in the north.

[Halon]

Apparently you've never lived in Yuma, lolz.

[jeremy1375]

Never lived in Yuma, but was stationed at Camp Pendleton in Cali for a few years. Plenty of Mexican folks there. Could get your windshield replaced for $50 just north of the border.

[SlowWhite]

And granted the stuff thr government provides isn't the best looking, but around here where almost everyone lives in a trailer home no one cares. Its completely accepted vs frowned apon.

I can think of only one trailer home park in minnesota I ever saw in the 11yrs I lived there. And that was edge of apple valley and Rosemont.

I probably pass 15 parks on my way to work and there is countless trailers not in parks on my way to work. Amd most are actually occupied by whites in this area

[A//// Guy]

Just throwing this in here for kicks and giggles. Good ol misunderstanding. http://www.kare11.com/story/news/201...ding/30181171/

[Halon]

It's 2015. Nobody alive anymore was a slave from the 1800's. I wasn't alive back then, but I can only imagine it's a night and day difference from them until now. Millionaires, Billionaires, CEO's, etc come in all colors now. The majority voted in a black president, twice.

Forgive but don't forget, that's how you prevent repeating past mistakes, and focus on just moving forward. I agree with Vicious's comment that the only way to truly move forward with equality is to truly treat all as being created equal. Countering racism from previous generations long ago, with an opposite form of racism today, just doesn't seem like a big picture approach if the end goal is equality.

When I lived in Yuma for 3 years, I was definitely a minority for those 3 years. It has to be like 90% Mexican there. Didn't really matter to me. When I walked into a restaurant, I just busted out some high school grade Spanish and ordered up some Carne Asada and life was good! I remember having dinner with my g/f's family, her parents didn't speak English at all. We all just spoke Spanish, ate burritos, and I understood maybe 1% of it all, was all good. My year in Japan, several months in Spain and Korea, same deal. Just go with the flow, treat everyone equally and with respect, things seem to work out. Run into a few bad apples along the way, whatever that'll always be the case, they don't represent the majority so just move on.

[jeremy1375]

^ What's your opinion on the Confederate flag? Is removing it considered reverse racism in your opinion?

[1ViciousGSX]

There is no such thing as "reverse" racism,..... you're either racist or you're not.

Here's some additional links and info about the Confederate Flag, the Civil War and slavery,...

http://www.rulen.com/myths/
http://www.rulen.com/educate/

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

There is no such thing as "reverse" racism,..... you're either racist or you're not.

Here's some additional links and info about the Confederate Flag, the Civil War and slavery,...

http://www.rulen.com/myths/
http://www.rulen.com/educate/

Thanks english grammar nazi! lol - Let's call it racism then.

I don't even know what to say about your sources there. When you post baseless information like that, I almost think you're joking. Do you genuinely believe those links provide any useful information?

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Thanks english grammar nazi! lol - Let's call it racism then.

LoL

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

I don't even know what to say about your sources there. When you post baseless information like that, I almost think you're joking. Do you genuinely believe those links provide any useful information?

Part joke, part thought provoking. There's so much misinformation on both sides of the discussion that it's hard to know what is accurate vs. the tactics of an agenda to rewrite history. But it does make people open their minds to think and research for themselves.

On this page are many good points, take them for what you believe them to be worth.
http://www.rulen.com/history/

Let it be known that the Confederate flag is an honored symbol of a portion of our national history. It in no way reflects slavery, bigotry or hatred.

Many revisionists and spin doctors will spread the misconception of the war of 1861-1865 as being that it was fought over slavery. NOT TRUE...
In actuality, what these revisionists of true history are doing started back in the early 1960's and is referred to amongst the people that know true history, as the "Second Reconstruction". Trying to rewrite and destroy all semblance, vestiges and heritage of a Southern Nation. It is a distorted and perverse legacy of what was once the civil rights movement.
But, it has became rabid and venomous, and has an agenda to persuade you to forget about real history at any price. Including the mockery and altering of history. (Doesn't sound like what's going on today?)
Anyway, to get back to the historic factor involved, the South fought for Southern Independence and to repel Northern oppression and aggressions. The North fought for monetary gain and financial superiority. Plain and simple. Be very clear about that!!!!
I have been, and still am, a student of history through many years of education, research and archeology. I have direct family lineage to some of the very first settlers in the "new world", as well as being descended from veterans of the Revolutionary War and War of 1812.
Now then, the kicker...I also have direct blood ancestors that fought for the Union army as well as having Confederate ancestors that fought for the South during the years of 1861-1865. I have no bias what-so-ever as far as the so called "civil war".
And I will assure you that I have never owned a slave in my life, nor has any of my relatives. I can hear the cries of " he's just an unreconstructed Rebel" or "he's just a Neo-Confederate" flying freely.
Call me what you will, but I am simply an honest & accurate historian as well as an American Patriot. Someone not afraid of the truth nor afraid to stand up for actual history and heritage.
My only attempt in writing this essay is to tell the whole story, and to let the interested parties see what has been kept from them. Something the revisionists and "spin doctors" will never tell you!!!!
* * * THE FIRST CASUALTY IN WAR IS TRUTH * * *

Read sections 4, 5 and 6 of that page for some different insight. In fact read the whole page.

Can I vouch for the author, no. Can you discredit the author because I can't vouch for him, no you can't. Do your own research.

[Halon]

To be honest, I really don't have an opinion on the Confederate Flag issue. Doesn't really mean anything to me so don't really feel the need to form an opinion one way or another on it.

[AwdGSX13]

"reverse racism" that term cracks me up.

[Halon]

I never used the term reverse racism, I said an "opposite form of racism", and all I meant by that was fighting racism, with racism just in the exact opposite way.

E.G. Say a group was oppressed based on their race. Then "fix it" by creating special exceptions for that group based on race. In the name of equality.

That's what I meant by countering racism with an opposite form of racism.

[jeremy1375]

^
I used the term. Now I get punished for it. lol

[Halon]

Damn ricer.