Proving Grounds 2012 - Page 7

**CornFed2.4** · 12-22-2011

I guess I was just wondering, stock appearing 1G obviously is diffrent than a 2G. So if us 2G guys can run a tdo5/16G that would help out a little.

C3L1CA · 12-22-2011

From my understanding a couple years ago was that all it had to have was stock exhaust/intake manifold.

So from my understanding I could run some crazy turbo as long as it was bolted to a stock exhaust manifold with a heat shield.

MAP guys, any idea when you might create the rules?

turbotalon1g · 12-22-2011

what? hmm bolton 67mm time!!!

**CornFed2.4** · 12-22-2011

Yeah I'd like to see some rules too. Their not as strict as buschnuts are they? I found a few evos and I really dont need to sell all my parts

**v8klla** · 12-23-2011

I don't have an ETA on when we'll be able to set the rules in stock, but I know you guys are trying to plan around it so I'll do my best. In regards to what will fly and what won't I don't see any MHI turbo being an issue, its the E cover or larger T3 based stuff that should probably be classed separately, do you agree?

munchgsx · 12-23-2011

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Originally Posted by v8klla

I don't have an ETA on when we'll be able to set the rules in stock, but I know you guys are trying to plan around it so I'll do my best. In regards to what will fly and what won't I don't see any MHI turbo being an issue, its the E cover or larger T3 based stuff that should probably be classed separately, do you agree?

Not exactly basing it on the flange. Note is says MHI not Mitsu flange. I think this will mean any Mitsu based turbo ie t25, t28, 13g, 14b, 16g, 18g, 20g, 25g, EF 1 2 3 4, FP green red black, you get my drift.

Correct me if I'm wrong Chris.

**Halon** · 12-23-2011

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Originally Posted by munchgsx

Not exactly basing it on the flange. Note is says MHI not Mitsu flange.

I was referring to this post:

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Originally Posted by scheides

... Base it around the actual flange on the turbo IMHO, ...

turbotalon1g · 12-23-2011

That sounds like a good rule to me.

**scheides** · 12-23-2011

Yarp. Base it around the actual flange on the turbo IMHO, it's not like any of the 3" inlet stock-frame turbos are literally "stock appearing" anyways...yes they are close but not in the truest sense of the term. External WG's, tubular manifolds, whatever...as long as it has a mitsu twin-scroll housing on it, let it fly. Maybe make the inlet restriction 3" or something?

Or just have a panel of random girls (in bikinis of course!) standing there and ask them, does it look stock or not? And depending on how they vote, that is the class you are in!

turbotalon1g · 12-23-2011

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Originally Posted by scheides

Yarp. Base it around the actual flange on the turbo IMHO, it's not like any of the 3" inlet stock-frame turbos are literally "stock appearing" anyways...yes they are close but not in the truest sense of the term. External WG's, tubular manifolds, whatever...as long as it has a mitsu twin-scroll housing on it, let it fly. Maybe make the inlet restriction 3" or something?

Or just have a panel of random girls (in bikinis of course!) standing there and ask them, does it look stock or not? And depending on how they vote, that is the class you are in!

Someone is pushing to get their big stock appearing turbo in.

I don't know about tubular exhaust manifolds, apparently there is a guy with a FFM and a S366, but he is going to put on a 68hta to try and rock the stock class.

**Halon** · 12-23-2011

Base it on the flange? Lol.

carltalon · 12-23-2011

This is getting rediclous. Might as well just base classes on inducer size. There is no way to make this even between different makes and models.

EX:
class 1 1 power adder up to X inducer / X NOS jet size, full interior, full exhaust, radial tire.

class 2 1 power adder up to Y inducer / Y NOS jet size

outlaw unlimited power adders unlimited wheel/ tire combo

turbotalon1g · 12-23-2011

Its not bad, I think since map is used to seeing most of the cars that will be there they would be able to tell if a car has a non-stock turbo on it really and if it has some crazy snake manifold well that is obvious too.

I'm sure most of the shops around here could tell. (Not me)

**v8klla** · 12-24-2011

No matter what we do someone's not going to be happy about it. If you take "stock appearing" literally 2g guys are stuck with a T25/T28, 1g guys can get into a 20g or thereabouts, Evo 8 & 9 could run standard housing EF3/FP Red, and an Evo X could probably sneak by with an EF4 / FP Black setup based on their turbo inlet configuration. When I think about this class I feel a 20g/EF2/FP green should be the largest turbocharger allowed but how do we go about enforcing that?

**CornFed2.4** · 12-24-2011

Just set the rules as need be, and will have to follow them. Your never gonna make everyone happy, but if you make at least 75% your doing good. Also, at first glance if it looks stock your good to go.

Pushit2.0 · 12-24-2011

Just run the rules like any other sanctioning body. If it looks legit in tech let it run. But if you have someone cleaning house by some insane margin make them prove there setup is legal by the rule book. Then its up to the people racing in that class to ensure they are as legal and as fast as possible.

turbotalon1g · 12-24-2011

Big thanks for the effort here, I understand totally that you won't please everyone.

I don't know a lot about stock appearing turbos on other cars, but maybe if you educate us a little on their setups/looks we could be more help rather than just mitsu specific.

I think you are on the right track with MHI turbo, but I think a stock appearing turbo would be a good start with 16G/TDO5 (not sure if thats right) allowable for 2Gs.

No E-cover turbos for DSMs basically, evo's will be able to take the cake though since they have the FP/EFx line of turbos to pick from.

I'm not sure how this affects other car brands though. I'm interested in the other rules for the cars too, tires, full exhaust, etc.

I think if you set up more classes it might take the strain off of you guys for setting up a stock appearing/stock appearing turbo class.

**cmspaz** · 12-24-2011

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I think if you set up more classes it might take the strain off of you guys for setting up a stock appearing/stock appearing turbo class.

I agree completely. The disconnect between what's allowed in Stock Appearing vs True Street is quite large.

**CornFed2.4** · 12-24-2011

Agree with Aaron, but I wanna know like FPR, FMIC, FP mani, ect...

Evos won't take the cake you auto 1G guys are lighter (I think). Plus they still have to drive there cars. LOL

turbotalon1g · 12-24-2011

It's funny you guys think 1.79+ 60 fts are automagic I was cutting 1.68s -1.70s in my 5 spds all day even with the scm61.

Autos are about 3300+lbs so they are pretty damn close with the evos.
I'm just trying to make a podium finish behind munchgsx and whoever else takes 2nd, assuming I can even make it.