Deer Hunting - Page 5

Shotgun! · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by ju-on

Total BS how people pull the "race" card all the time like this now. So what if you were the same race as him. Well I am the same race as the ones murdered. When do I get my apology from you?

But you know what, I am going to apologize to the Hmong's here in the midwest. BUT... not for the Vang incident. For having a great time with one of their Hmong wives at Myth last weekend! Me and Craig took good car of her! I love asians !

Yes! I've been waiting for a good thread hijack!

CVD · 09-18-2005

Yeah, we would all like to know exactly how it all went down, but sometimes the raw facts speak for themselves, and no amount of "what ifs" make it any less terrible.

FattyBoomBatty · 09-18-2005

what if there weren't racist a-holes with guns walking around in packs in the woods?

what if there were only bows and arrows. then he'd have to be robin hood to take down 6 people.

**JET** · 09-18-2005

He shot unarmed people in the back as they were running away. That is all you need to know. Nothing they did makes it right to do that. They were probably bitching him out and calling him some racist names, but that doesn't give him any right to shoot people.

1slowdsm · 09-18-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

He shot unarmed people in the back as they were running away. That is all you need to know. Nothing they did makes it right to do that. They were probably bitching him out and calling him some racist names, but that doesn't give him any right to shoot people.

That's what I thought also. He shot people without guns, so that's enough to be found guilty of murder. I'm like everyone else, I just want to know what really happened. But we'll never find out now. Everyone who was there might've changed parts of the story a bit here and there so now the real story will never be real. Get what I'm saying.
My uncle's and cousin went squirrel hunting this weekend and they ran into a situation kinda like this. A gun was pointed at someone and that's all i know. Their hunting trip was ended early but no one was killed so that's a good thing for everyone. Last thing we need is another shootout/murder rampage.

Jakey · 09-18-2005

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Originally Posted by 1slowdsm

My uncle's and cousin went squirrel hunting this weekend and they ran into a situation kinda like this.

Were they trespassing?

FattyBoomBatty · 09-18-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

He shot unarmed people in the back as they were running away. That is all you need to know. Nothing they did makes it right to do that. They were probably bitching him out and calling him some racist names, but that doesn't give him any right to shoot people.

i know, i was saying that more so that i could say "what if" in response to CVD's post. i've looked at both sides to the story, and for some reason i don't care as much as other people i talk to about it.

1slowdsm · 09-18-2005

I dont know about that part. But my uncle doesnt like to trespass. He knows how ugly people can get if you're too close to their property. I think it was just a misunderstanding type thing. Someone THOUGHT someone took a shot at someone and yadee yadee yadee. You know how people may think differently after this case. They are more carefull, maybe too carefull that when they hear a shot they might think it's meant to hit them.

Jakey · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by 1slowdsm

I dont know about that part. But my uncle doesnt like to trespass.

Doesn't like to, as in he does? Why trespass in the first place? If the property is not yours, stay the f*ck off unless you are in pursuit of a wounded animal. We have had to throw people off of our property before for trespassing but if it ever comes to where someone will not leave, I would have absolutely no problem holding a gun in their face until the game warden shows up. I don't care if I am a redneck, no trespassing means no trespassing. As to how people can not understand that I don't know.

1slowdsm · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakey

Doesn't like to, as in he does?

Umm...okay sure. You're reading it in a whole different way than what it was. I mean that he Doesnt Trespass at ALL. Sheesh. Not trying to start anything here. But Doesnt Like to, DOESNT necessarily mean that he Does or ever did trespass. He knows better than that to trespass just for a couple of squirrels. He knows where to go and where not to go.

sleepy2lazy · 09-18-2005

i know he shot them in the back.
But as to why is the reason.

There's more reason as to why he shot them in the back.

"I remember reading something similar to this in history. The man was looked upon guilty to the core. It appeared that he nailed another man with a hammer. But in the end, it turned out that it wasn't him. It was due to the guy falling down and hitting himself. The accused was asian, the dead man was white. The jury and the people around were white."

I'm not defending him to death here guys. I'm just saying there is something there.
Because of ties, its just odd he would do something like that unless something else occurred. According to reading the paper, one testimony said Chai Vang apologized and was leaving. (I just think its odd how he would apologize, eave then turn around and shoot)

This case has its facts. It has its evidence. And it has mystery.

But b/c of ties, i feel something else unspoken is there. This is why there is those "what ifs"
thats just my opinion.

Now if it was someone like that BTK fucker, i'd want justice to the core.

**JET** · 09-18-2005

There are a lot of crazy people out there. There are also a lot of people with short tempers. I think he was probably leaving and there were some racial slurs yelled after him, he got mad and started shooting.

It is purely speculation, but sounds very plausable. I could easily see the whole scenario happening. I saw interviews on the news of his neighbors and they said he had a short temper and they heard screaming from his place sometimes.

CarPsyco84 · 09-18-2005

I'm not trying to go out and defend this guy, but whos to say that the hunters didn't shoot first. Or maybe fire off a warning shot in anger, and Vang thought they were trying to kill him? Vang said himself he thought they shot at him. Only Vang knows the truth, but even if thats what happened, the fact that he shot any one and everyone after that makes him a murderer. I think he got what he had coming to him in court, but I'm sure theres more to this story than meets the eye, and none of us will probly ever know the truth. My .02....

1QUICK4 · 09-19-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

There are a lot of crazy people out there. There are also a lot of people with short tempers. I think he was probably leaving and there were some racial slurs yelled after him, he got mad and started shooting.

I have seen this happen first hand while hunting. Just last year my uncle shot a nice buck and by the time he tracked it down there was another hunter tagging it as his own. It went from an argument to an all out shouting match and ended with my uncle saying fuck it and walking away.

Hunting disputes get pretty heated!

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Originally Posted by sleepy2lazy

Sorry if it seems like i came out harsh and what not at the beginning.. This is a heated topic. Least it is for me, so if my thoughts aren't coming out clearly, i apologize.

Understandable, I get a little amped up over this shit too. I don't mean any disrespect to his family.

CVD · 09-19-2005

Ok sleepy, please give me a hypothetical situation in which shooting an unarmed person in the back multiple times is justified.

sleepy2lazy · 09-19-2005

CVD, i never said it was justified to shoot people in the back.

CVD · 09-19-2005

So then what are you arguing? He is guilty of his charges regardless of the jury's skin color. You agree that the circumstances of the shooting prove this(he did shoot some of them in the back). So what are the "what ifs"? Nothing can change the fact that he killed in cold blood and deserves the full extent of the law, if not worse.
He admited all of this in the courtroom.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. Zero. Racism may have sparked his anger but it has nothing to do with the punishment. He ADMITTED to everything. Even if you believed every word he said (ie they shot first etc.) he is still guilty as charged and deserves the punishment he got.

**JET** · 09-19-2005

Another thing, the land must be properly marked as no tresspassing. If not it is considered public hunting grounds. It is still bad etiquette to go without permission, but like the internet, people don't always follow the etiquette rules.

I also hunt, so I understand how it gets. You get all primal and the testosterone is flowing like mad. It makes it easier for things to escalate in a hurry.

awd-drifter · 09-19-2005

I'm Hmong, and this guy seems a little crazy. I hunt too, but i dont think I'll kill a guy unless they all shot at me. but hey, if there were 6 people that were "threatening" your life, wouldnt you do the same? i dunno the whole story to this thing, but i just think this guy is straight-up crazy.

Jakey · 11-08-2005

Life in prison with no possibility of parole for this piece of shit:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174967,00.html