Proving Grounds 2012

[carltalon]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I can see getting my ass handed to me quite easily in this class, I think there needs to be a middle ground between the 350-450whp cars and the 62mm (700+whp class)

I agree. there is a big difference between a stock apearing dsm turbo to a stock apearing evo turbo. the biggest "true" stock apearing turbo a dsm could run would be a small turbo on a evo.

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by goodhart

That bimmer dude was posting on mnsc about how he was going to kick ass at proving grounds before the event last year. I think he was running like 12.2-ish at the event.

That's halarious, I knocked his ass out of the competition with a basically shot motor (~110 compression, blowing oil) and only 20psi on a TDo5 turbo, on a 20 minute street tune.

He did seem like a nice enough guy in person, so who knows...

I suspect it's going to be a very competitive field in stock appearing in 2012.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by goodhart

That bimmer dude was posting on mnsc about how he was going to kick ass at proving grounds before the event last year. I think he was running like 12.2-ish at the event.

Originally Posted by turbotal[QUOTE=goodhart

That bimmer dude was posting on mnsc about how he was going to kick ass at proving grounds before the event last year. I think he was running like 12.2-ish at the event.

Really? Post links if you can, that's funny

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

Not bad for a bimmer though, he probably won't be so vocal about kicking ass this year though.

FWIW he did have a decent setup, stock turbos w/ intakes, full exhaust, alky injection...it was a one-wheel wonder but it still was running consistent low 12's aaaaaalll weekend.

Originally Posted by Tachyon

That's halarious, I knocked his ass out of the competition with a basically shot motor (~110 compression, blowing oil) and only 20psi on a TDo5 turbo, on a 20 minute street tune.

He did seem like a nice enough guy in person, so who knows...

I suspect it's going to be a very competitive field in stock appearing in 2012.

He was very very nice until I ran into him at Taco Bell after the weekend was over, he was really upset we had beat him, that's all I will say...

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I don't think I saw any modified intake manifolds or SMIM's but I wasn't looking too hard.

I did see a lot of cast exhaust manifolds that weren't stock, but I think cast manifolds should be allowed to be honest.

I can see getting my ass handed to me quite easily in this class, I think there needs to be a middle ground between the 350-450whp cars and the 62mm (700+whp class)

IMHO anything you can look at it at a glance and it could be shrugged off as stock should fly.

Given the numbers you have been running in your car you will do great in this class man, you have zero to worry about!

[munchgsx]

Oh he has plenty to worry about

[turbotalon1g]

^



Brad, that was taken from last year.

Thanks scheides, i remember that car now. I like that thing.

I agree with your take on the stock appearing deal, but here's a thing almost every DSM has a SMIM on it these days and if anything it makes the car look cleaner, but I'm sure if someone was to try and run it people would complain.

Personally I think SMIM should be allowed and cast exhaust manifolds, then someone could still run mitsu, T3, and T4 turbos.

MAP should come in here and help out. I know for the shootout everyone was complaining about the tin can's that were in their DST class, but that's because ER was driving probably the closest thing to Joe Bucci's car anyone has seen in a long time.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

Personally I think SMIM should be allowed and cast exhaust manifolds, then someone could still run mitsu, T3, and T4 turbos.

Why a SMIM? Most of them are polished and fancy looking; a non-car person could look under the hood and even identify that as 'not stock appearing'...know what I mean?

[19TsiAwd90]

Originally Posted by scheides

Why a SMIM? Most of them are polished and fancy looking; a non-car person could look under the hood and even identify that as 'not stock appearing'...know what I mean?

i agree scheides, stock appearing means stock appearing that simple(exhaust would be ok). Anything that doesn't look stock wont let you race in that class, i also think they should have more classes possibly like a "super stock" or something like that where you could have a turbo up to 50trim and full exhaust/intake and fmic. along with what ever other goodies your avg dsm/evo/subi would have thats just my thoughts

[turbotalon1g]

It seems like a lot more have SMIM and because they sit so much lower I basically don't realize its there.

I'm ready for some official words on these rules, and I can't wait to get a SMIM till after proving grounds i guess.

[bramagedained]

Heh, looks like the tubular header bumps me from stock appearing to getting ass whooped class.

[cmspaz]

Originally Posted by bramagedained

Heh, looks like the tubular header bumps me from stock appearing to getting ass whooped class.

Only a 30 minute swap though...

[turbotalon1g]

^lmao.

[goodhart]

There may be some competition from subaru's this year if any locals step up and get the new fp black for subaru's.

[turbotalon1g]

^I'll believe it when I see it. Last time I was a suby at the strip was years ago running 13s at best.

I hope they show up, well some fast ones I can't stand that tractor sound.

[munchgsx]

I think tubular manifolds are allowed as long as the stock heat shield is covering it up. Which would mean a long runner set up would be the only thing that would make it non stock appearing. Although I could be wrong about that.

[C3L1CA]

Is it a stock heat shield or any sort of heat shield? I would think anybody that is creative and has some skills enough could rig up a heat shield for any sort of manifold.

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

^I'll believe it when I see it. Last time I was a suby at the strip was years ago running 13s at best.

I hope they show up, well some fast ones I can't stand that tractor sound.

There was a very stock appearing white hatch-back style STi that was running 12.0 flat there last year... had a 20G, but you would never know if you popped the hood.

[turbotalon1g]

^Pimp.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

^I'll believe it when I see it. Last time I was a suby at the strip was years ago running 13s at best.

I hope they show up, well some fast ones I can't stand that tractor sound.

There were a handful in the 11's last year that I saw.

[turbotalon1g]

maybe I didn't look because the sound was too bad.

[v8klla]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

beamer guy sounds like a douche. ^Agreed.

IS anyone out there MAP?

You know where to find me We can certainly take another look at classing and we're definitely open to ideas!