beaterX project thread - Page 33

**cmspaz** · 11-22-2010

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Originally Posted by Halon

Is that a terrorist? Oh wait wait, it's just Spaz

I keed I keed.

LOL!

I was told on another board that we need to stop having Chuck Norris jokes and instead have jokes about things hidden in my beard.

No Shave November is almost done so I'll attempt to improve that situation as soon as it ends.

**scheides** · 11-22-2010

Lookee what showed up today

Stock LICP kinda hangin there but it lines right up and is juuuust shy of 2.5", probably about 2 3/8" OD and flows very nicely:

Also, found this chunk of lead behind where the FMIC mounts, it seriously must weigh almost 7 pounds. Goodbye!

**mlomker** · 11-23-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

found this chunk of lead behind where the FMIC mounts

I'm going to do weight reduction as one of my last projects, so good to know.

**Murlo26** · 11-22-2010

My lead weight is sitting in my garage...wait no, the basement, lol. I think it was there to try to maintain 50/50 weight distribution as best as possible, screw that!

Oh, nice FMIC! Looking sharp

turbotalon1g · 11-23-2010

sweet i have this week off work if you need hand sometime, i need to start getting out of the house for winter.

**scheides** · 11-23-2010

I'll be in Florida With family till next tuesday, go nuts!

FattyBoomBatty · 11-23-2010

lol, back in the day, they didn't need to add weight to make the car equal weight front to back. Crazy, modern manufacturing techniques.

**mlomker** · 11-24-2010

Off-topic for this thread, but scheides' old BBK is looking good on E85.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/service...-toxicfab.html

**Murlo26** · 11-30-2010

Next Tuesday is here

I see you are on the forums...hopefully epic updates!

**scheides** · 11-30-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Off-topic for this thread, but scheides' old BBK is looking good on E85.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/service...-toxicfab.html

That is so badass! I love that mrfred has my old turbo. Great numbers for only 27psi too!

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Next Tuesday is here

I see you are on the forums...hopefully epic updates!

Indeed it is. A week with Anna's fam was a good break that I really needed. Drank, ate, and relaxed on the beach, Sanibel Island is pretty damn nice for being 'only' florida! Saw some lambos, ferraris, and endless porsche's up close and ripped around in a bitchin grand marquis (3+3 seating and a 4.6L V8 son!.....a 220hp v8...le sigh). Check out this huge bird that swooped down and wanted a sip of my dunkin donuts coffee...he just chilled there for 10+ minutes:

The new Kelford cam is in, I'm swinging up to DB tomorrow night with my cam cap to make sure it slides on easily, then back home to keep movin. If the cam doesn't fit, I'm not sure what I'll do. I have several days of fiddling around to do either way, but I'm not ruling out putting the stock cams back in, returning the kelfords all together and ordering an aquamist kit w/ the cash. S2's or a set of the kelfords can go in next spring if I'm feeling soucy :P

Head is coming off, I will be putting in the little screen thing and re-torquing it with a fresh headgasket, that also comes in tomorrow.

I'll post more info when I get it!

**Halon** · 11-30-2010

Dumb question, but why wouldn't the cam fit?

**scheides** · 11-30-2010

Where the cam cap goes over the cam, one of the journals on the cam is machined to be 'snug' to (I assume) keep the cam in alignment. I can put the cam cap on my stock cam and it slips right on all the way, but on the original kelford it only went on about 80% of the way and got tight, then at 90% it'd nearly bind, and when torquing them down the cam couldn't even be turned over

Hopefully the new cam will fit just right and this sillyness can be over. I want my car back!

**mlomker** · 12-01-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

then at 90% it'd nearly bind

After what happened on my cap, I'd be nervous at that point.

**scheides** · 12-02-2010

CAMS ARE HERE!

So here's a pic of cam cap #3 sitting on top of the first cam I got. Note how it doesn't quite sit down all the way on the cam:

Thanks to Shane at DB Performance for helping me get this sorted so quickly! He measured the new cam when it came in and was doubtful it would fit...so I brought the cam cap up with me and it slid right on! It was hard even for several sets of calipers to decipher the difference, so who knows...maybe it was out of round or something?

New cams:

Got home, slapped them in immediately:

Enjoy them in there because they're coming right back out, time for some math!

The 4b11t has buckets that sit on top of the valvesprings, then the cam sits on top of the buckets, like a honda. You put the cams in, measure all 16 clearances, then take them out, measure all of the buckets that are out of spec (with the new cams, springs, valves, ported head, its not surprising!), then figure out if you either want to rearrange all of them and try to make them fit, order new ones, or a combination of the two.

I was able to bring all but 3 of the intake valves into spec (.008" +/- .001"), and the other 3 are only another .001" out of spec on the loose side. I would almost feel comfortable running them like this buuuut the exhaust side was just a mess. One had a gap of .003". The spec on that side is .012" +/- .001 so it was waaay out of spec.

So after some extra time with the outside micrometer, shop manual, I had to choose between 47 different tappets to order, all are stepped up about .0006" from each other (.005mm). The ones that were far off I ended up ordering two tappets each, just to be sure I don't have to wait for extras. At $8.50 a pop this was another quick $100+ down into this thing, but this *should* be the last thing I need to put everything back together! I paid an extra $20 to get them overnighted so its gonna be head down this weekend and see how far we get!

Matt D. · 12-02-2010

I dealt with those buckets on a friend's Focus, worst fucking idea in the world.

**mlomker** · 12-02-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

I dealt with those buckets on a friend's Focus, worst fucking idea in the world.

Yeah, I'd obviously like a set of S2s now that they've proven themselves but for what the install would cost...it's probably not worth the few hp.

**scheides** · 12-02-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Yeah, I'd obviously like a set of S2s now that they've proven themselves but for what the install would cost...it's probably not worth the few hp.

They have been put off till infinity now it seems, so don't lose any sleep over it! First it was last week of November, then Dec 22, now I hear Jan 24th. Sigh, at least I got some kelfords that fit! I can't wait to fire this thing up.

MustGoFaster · 12-04-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

I dealt with those buckets on a friend's Focus, worst fucking idea in the world.

I don't know that it's the worst idea in the world. Makes it a PITA to work on the head, but at least you don't get lifter tick! Tough some simple screws and lock nuts like Honda still uses would be nice!

**cmspaz** · 12-04-2010

If we cared about lifter tick we wouldn't drive Mitsus.

Scheides put his chain on:

Besides that, a ton of other stuff got done, this being the end result before dinner:

Holy shit, that's a complete motor!

Scheides is probably still in the garage doing a few more things, I'll let him post the details when he's ready.

rose0529 · 12-02-2010

Looking good! Crazy how much work it is to do the cams on an X!