The Real McCain

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Actually i just did a search on google for worst president in history and if you notice at least the first 20 links all have GWB in the article.

Dude... Quit using Google to hold up your end of this discussion. I've at least shown links with credible sources. All you do is say "Google said so" and post links to Rolling Stone.

[A//// Guy]

If clinton caught osama like he should have back in the 90s, we wouldnt be having this war.

As far as McCain being like Bush, is that only because he wants to finish the war and not just leave the Iraqis hangin? You really think its a good idea for us to just drop and leave Iraq? I do think it will take a long time for Iraq to reform and change its ways, but we need to atleast guide their new government so it doesnt fall apart again.

[asshanson]

I agree with Tom on one part, there is huge potential in solar power. Too bad we don't have near the technology to use hardly any of it, solar panels are so inefficient it's not worth it at this point. So until we have a better way to use solar, I'm going with nuclear.

And George Bush will be linked on several sites right now because he's the current president. Wait 50 years and do the same search, you'll probably get the current president again, just by the way search engines work, and that there are always large numbers of people who dislike the president.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

If clinton caught osama like he should have back in the 90s, we wouldnt be having this war.

This war was never about Osama, please educate yourself.

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

As far as McCain being like Bush, is that only because he wants to finish the war and not just leave the Iraqis hangin? You really think its a good idea for us to just drop and leave Iraq? I do think it will take a long time for Iraq to reform and change its ways, but we need to atleast guide their new government so it doesnt fall apart again.

McCain is a lot like Bush for many reasons:
- Policy on iraq: we need to at least start the process of getting out of iraq instead of murdering their people for generations more. When the British were on US soil it took an american revolution to kick them off. Is that what we are waiting for with iraq?
- Economics: He has stated that he has no expirence and no answers to our failing economy.
- Public Speaking: He freezes and mumbles just like Bush every time someone gives him a simple question, or a heckler heckles away at him. Except he has often been called a hot head, swearing at other senators, citizens and leaders. (from ABC News).
I can keep going but im busy at work.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

McCain is a lot like Bush for many reasons:
- Policy on iraq: we need to at least start the process of getting out of iraq instead of murdering their people for generations more. When the British were on US soil it took an american revolution to kick them off. Is that what we are waiting for with iraq?

Did you just compare our occupancy of Iraq to the American Revolution? One is an ill-fated effort against terrorism, the other was the thirteen colonies fighting against Great Britain for independence because of laws and taxes being imposed on them. Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence? Get a clue.

[A//// Guy]

He has similar views because hes running under the republican party... Alot of his views are quite different than Bush though, thats why at first he didnt know if he was going to run under the Republican party.

So please list the reasons Obama is better than McCain please.

And the war was/is about terrorism. Osama and Iraq fall under that category. I seriously believe there were WMD, but they were sent to other countries like Syria before we got over there. Think what you want, and Ill think what I want.

The world is a better place without Saddam, you cant deny that.

[Halon]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

T nuclear power plants are only good for 30 years. then they must be decommissioned and cannot be reused

They can reapply for a new operating license and they can continue producing energy.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

And the war was/is about terrorism. Osama and Iraq fall under that category. I seriously believe there were WMD, but they were sent to other countries like Syria before we got over there. Think what you want, and Ill think what I want.

The world is a better place without Saddam, you cant deny that.

I agree the world is a better place without Saddam, BUT SADDAM IS DEAD!!!
If you truly believe we were there for WMDs and to kill terrorists then why are we not in Zimbabwe or in Darfur what the US calls GENOCIDE!! Fuck your belief we are in Iraq to kill terrorists. We went there to protect the oil! If we went there for humanitarianism then there were places elsewhere which deserved our help much more. If we would have declared war on Sudans government Bush's approval rating would be through the roof, hell i think i would even be supportive of his efforts.

[Matt D.]

Once again you start with the conspiracy theories. Good show, Tom. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. We're in the here and now, not the past. This isn't about Bush and his fucked up policies.

[bertrenolds5]

Who is the flip-floper now straight talking biatch. If republicans win this comming election our govt. is a sham!

A republican is a republican, bush is part of the same party as mccain, how would electing mccain be any different then electing bush for 4 more years?

And the WMD's were never found. It was also proven that intelligence was altered/created to make it look like their were WMD's in Iraq so we could go to war to make Cheney and Halliburton billions of dollars. Bush's administration can be considered terrorists themselves, they caused the deaths of and estimated hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians in their quest for the almighty dollar.

[Kracka]

Hahaha tinfoil hats!

You do realize we have a democratic senate, and when it comes down to it, they have more power than the president, right?

[A//// Guy]

I dont think they know that. Tin foil hats for everyone!

[bertrenolds5]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

If clinton caught osama like he should have back in the 90s, we wouldnt be having this war.

As far as McCain being like Bush, is that only because he wants to finish the war and not just leave the Iraqis hangin? You really think its a good idea for us to just drop and leave Iraq? I do think it will take a long time for Iraq to reform and change its ways, but we need to atleast guide their new government so it doesnt fall apart again.

HA! If the CIA wasn't involved in giving millions of dollars and training to the Afghanis who have now become al qaeda to fight the soviets in the first place then none of this would have happened! People, our govt. is responsible for everything that is now happening, wakeup! Why were we even fighting the soviets?

And leaving iraq would be stupid! were still in korea.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by bertrenolds5

Why were we even fighting the soviets?

OMG, please tell me you're joking.

[bertrenolds5]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Hahaha tinfoil hats!

You do realize we have a democratic senate, and when it comes down to it, they have more power than the president, right?

A democratic senate that was given evidence that was altered, like I said. Come on, everyone was pressured into going to war, I think 1 person said no to war in the senate. Ah, and the president can declare a state of emergency and go to war without senate approval, what are they gonna do once the pres has already dropped bombs, pull out?

And I am not making up the evidence alteration, I watched a documentary on history channel about all of this.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by bertrenolds5

HA! If the CIA wasn't involved in giving millions of dollars and training to the Afghanis who have now become al qaeda to fight the soviets in the first place then none of this would have happened!

Ever been stabbed in the back by a "friend"? Truth of the matter is you have to trust someone and sometimes you get screwed. At the time it was the best option available b/c we were trying to prevent the spread of communism.

[bertrenolds5]

I am not joking, CIA gave millions to afganis to fight russia, then we left them hanging, they got pissed and now we are dealing with the aftermath of our decisions.

[bertrenolds5]

And capitolism is better? I'm not a commie but capitolism doesn't have all the answers either.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by bertrenolds5

I am not joking, CIA gave millions to afganis to fight russia, then we left them hanging, they got pissed and now we are dealing with the aftermath of our decisions.

Welcome to reality! There are consequences, good and bad, no matter what actions are taken. Decisions are only as good as the information we have to make them and sometimes they end up being wrong. Overall, I thanks the government and military for what it has done to make this country a better place. Had they not, you wouldn't have the freedom to voice your opinions.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by bertrenolds5

And capitolism is better? I'm not a commie but capitolism doesn't have all the answers either.

Nothing has all the answers. Trade-offs are a part of life.