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Originally Posted by AJ
There is a difference here. A car is something used on the public roads, in fact, that training is specific to use in public. Use, every day. A gun is not. A gun is as private an item as a Playboy magazine if I choose for it to be. Self defense wise, if I can't get to my gun I always have a knife or 3, a rolling pin, baseball bat, and if needed a rolled up Playboy mag to beat someone senseless with.
And you know what, how many people have you seen on the roads and wondered how the hell they passed. But there they are. And drinking and driving. Cell phones and texting. Poorly prepped cars in bad weather. These are the aspects of danger. These are the items you can make a case for similar to gun control. It's the use of an item. How a person acts and makes decisions. Drinking and driving killed a family member of mine and I'm thankful no one else. But I won't want your right to drive taken away cause you are a more responsible driver any more than I want my gun rights taken away due to someone not being responsible. What I want are more options (and I mean options) for training, which there is a lot more of now, better help for mental health, and more $ to focus on the criminal aspects in our own communities.
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I understand your point here. I am sorry to hear about losing a family member to a drunk driver. I lost my dad to someone whose car trailer disconnected when they used too small of a hitch ball, so I can relate the problems irresponsible drivers can cause. And I don't want everyone to lose they're right to drive because of that person.
And you are right, a car is something used on the public roads. A driver's license is a necessity for most people. Gun are not a necessity for the majority of people. The training requirement would likely deter many irresponsible gun owner from buying one in the first place. Those are the people I personally am most concerned about. The main problem that gets me fired up is guns getting into the hands of kids due to carelessness and negligence. I believe school shootings are at the heart most calls for stricter gun control. They are for me.
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Originally Posted by AJ
http://www.civilresponse.net/04/2014...les-minnesota/
There are laws in place, and ways as a private party seller to protect yourself in a private sale. In your transaction, that criminal buying a gun is generally doing so from another criminal. And if not, may of purchased the gun legally years before falling on hard times and becoming someone intent on using it unlawfully. Or simply, guy broke into a house a stole it. Broke into a gun store and stole it. Was one of the many temp UPS workers who steal packages over the holidays. The thing is, regulations won't stop that. It simply tells those will ill intent that once they get away with the action of getting a gun there is less chance someone is on the other end to stop them. And don't say the cops will be there. Cause in most cases they aren't there till it's too late and you just hope you're alive to tell the story.
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The law are pretty clear that a private sale, at least in Minnesota, that unless a person tells you they are a criminal, a criminal can buy a gun no problems. If someone is short on cash and needs to sell their gun they can sell it to any Joe on the street as long as there's no reason to believe the buyer is a criminal.
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd...firearmsgd.pdf
Transfers Between Unlicensed Individuals: No Background Checks
In contrast to the provisions governing sales by licensed dealers, there is no provision in federal
or Minnesota law that requires background checks, record-keeping, or location restrictions for
firearms transfers between private individuals who are not FFLs, other than certain federal law
restrictions pertaining to acquiring or disposing of firearms across state lines.62
Exempted Transfers
Federal law authorizes an unlicensed individual (a non-FFL) who is not a prohibited person to
sell a firearm (handgun, rifle, or shotgun) to an unlicensed resident of his or her own state, as
well as to loan or rent a firearm to a nonresident of the state for temporary use for lawful sporting
purposes, provided that:
(1) the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe that the transferee is
prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal or state law;
(2) the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the laws of both states; and
(3) the transferor and transferee meet in person to make the transfer.
Since these types of firearms transfers are not regulated by either federal or Minnesota law, they
entail no legal requirements for background checks.
Federal law also provides that an unlicensed individual may sell or transfer a firearm to an FFL
in any state, but is prohibited from transferring interstate to a licensed collector any firearm other
than a curio or relic.63
18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(3) and (5); 922(b)(3); 27 CFR §§ 478.29; 478.30
Minnesota Penalties
It is a gross misdemeanor for any person, including a private party, to intentionally transfer a
pistol or assault weapon to another knowing that the transferee is disqualified by law from
62 However, there are limitations on the transfer of certain types of firearms (categorized as Class II), such as
machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, short-barred rifles, and firearm silencers.
63 A federal firearms collector’s license is limited in application to firearms that qualify as curios and relic. See
18 U.S.C. §§ 922(z)(2)(C); 921(a)(13).
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