Anyone want to make a newbie make some good power? - Page 2

**scheides** · 05-19-2012

Yea, I agree with goodhart. Before you go down the path of making epic power spend some time rounding the car off. Short shifter, underhood shift bushings, front motor mount, springs, sway, etc. It's the little stuff that make these cars fun!

Plus, stock IX turbo on E85 = bomb setup, you may be happy with it, most people are!

bramagedained · 05-19-2012

Personally, my favorite mod is the head unit I bought from Scheides so I can listen to music from my Ipod.

**goodhart** · 05-19-2012

And I would buy the turbo last. Get all the other stuff (Injectors, E85, FMIC, piping, tune, mounts, bushings, shifter, etc) THEN get the green. That's just the way I would do it, to see if you really think you need the extra power over a stock turbo e85 setup, and to make sure you can actually drive it. Lots of people are stuck on making 500 HP when they can't drive a car with 400 HP.

MorningWood · 05-19-2012

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Originally Posted by goodhart

And I would buy the turbo last. Get all the other stuff (Injectors, E85, FMIC, piping, tune, mounts, bushings, shifter, etc) THEN get the green. That's just the way I would do it, to see if you really think you need the extra power over a stock turbo e85 setup, and to make sure you can actually drive it. Lots of people are stuck on making 500 HP when they can't drive a car with 400 HP.

Like me

, I couldn't drive my 500whp last year, so what did I do this year? Made more to compensate for my lack of driving ability, it only seems right, yeah?

**scheides** · 05-19-2012

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Originally Posted by bramagedained

Personally, my favorite mod is the head unit I bought from Scheides so I can listen to music from my Ipod.

Hah, that too! Bumpin tunes are a must. Glad you still like that thing, I loved it!

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

Thanks again for the continued advice everyone!
Whatever the parts I decide on will all be ordered, installed, and tuned at the same time. Since my mechanical prowess is nowhere near your guy's, whats most likely to happen is i'm going to have all the parts sent to DB and have them install and tune everything and return it to me finished. I can't go without a car for more than a few days and would be more comfortable with a shop doing the work, I don't trust myself.

With that being said, sounds like the general concensus for power is to get the turbo, injectors, fmic, drop springs and have Shane tune it on e85?? I had heard from my friend Kody of Bryces old setup and it sounds like i will have a similar mods list and make comprable power, which is what I want. I heard he drove it for many many miles and drove it how it was supposed to be driven, and had no problems.
I already have some good bolt ons (fuel pump, full 3 in exhaust, intake, UICP, LICP, bov, boost controller/wideband) so if I round out the setup and make roughly what Bryce made i'll be more than happy.

I wanted to do the cams/valve springs/studs/retainers, but are they not worth it at this point? If I can make my power goals without them i'd prefer to save on the labor of tearing the motor part way apart and those are also expensive parts.

Also the money could be then put to bushings, mounts, and possibly a further upgraded clutch. I fully agree on "rounding" the car out and make it an AutoX champ, but a majority of my driving is straight line speed. Honestly, my personal preference would be to make the power and try my hand at auto x. I don't expect anything impressive, but I think it would be cooler to drive it a bit then do the minor suspension/bushings to see how much of a difference it really makes. Thanks again for how easy you guys are to talk to!!

**goodhart** · 05-21-2012

You're buds with Kody? I don't ever hear from that fool anymore! Tell him I say hi.

bramagedained · 05-21-2012

The FWIW, my car was fine with the factory head studs at 514whp/454wtq. Though, I only ran that setup for 1 season so YMMV.

I ran the stock valvesprings with Cosworth M2 cams since I bought the car in 2009, with the limiter set to 8k which it saw more than a few times without issue too. I found out from the previous owner a few months ago that the cams had been in the car since 2007.

For labor and tuning, I have only good things to say about Shane and DB as a whole.

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

Ya, I've known Kody for a couple few years. He's seen me go through 4 cars, he helped with my SRT4, i think my terminator Cobra and tons of help with the Evo, and he swears by you guys, and your all great people! And i agree, Shane and the DB crew are the ones doing everything, will be the cars second tune by them.

So guess its time to pull the trigger, will be ordering an ETS 3.5 in front mount to go with my Fujita upper/lower Ic pipes, leave my intake and full exhaust as is, ust the addition of a 3 in 02 housing and divorced wg "screamer pipe", upgrade my existing wally pump, get bigger injectors, head studs/ gasket to be safe, and rock the FP73HTA Green on e85. Do you guys think anything else will be needed to hit between 450-500whp corrected on DBs dyno safely?

And as far as brands, who makes the best for the money for a 340 or 400lph pump, best head studs/gasket combo, best 02 housing and 02 eliminator downpipe/screamer pipe?

Thanks again guys, hopefully soon I'll be able to quit bugging you guys. But thanks so much for the suport and advice!!

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

And what is the best injector to go with, keeping in mind the car may someday be gettin more power??

**goodhart** · 05-21-2012

I wouldn't worry about the Walbro if you're only going to have a green. If anything just do the high pressure mod to it. Pretty sure Kody should know how. I know 1000's were plenty on Bryce's green + 35psi, Maybe just get some FIC 1150/1250's to be on the safe side?

You honestly do not need the head gasket and studs, but if you really want to spend the money, I would go with a stock headgasket and L19's of some sort.

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

Thanks Mr. Goodhart! That's pretty much exactly what i was thinking. Do the fuel pump mod and if i run out of pump have Shane throw one in on the dyno, I'm hoping he has one in stock. Last time we tuned, Shane said my wally may be a knock off and that one of the seal rings or something was missing, so may just get the pump to be on the safe side. Same with the studs and gasket, may just do it to be safe. Is FIC the best brand, and could i go bigger injectors on a low duty cycle safely, with room to grow in mind?

How about the 02 housing and screamer pipe? Which ones have the best gains/sound/fitment??

Thanks, yet again!

**goodhart** · 05-21-2012

Megan O2 housings are nice quality and dirt cheap. Lots of people run them without issues. Plus you won't get the nasty sound of an O2 dump on a small turbo

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

Ok ya I've seen a lot of setups with them, that was my first guess on a good choice.

Would you not suggest doing the 02 eliminator screamer pipe with the FP Green?? And if so, how come?

**Murlo26** · 05-21-2012

O2 elim downpipe with atmosphere dump is good for more power on almost any setup regardless of what people say.

It's just whether or not you want to deal with the noise. if you don't mind a loud car get it, if you do get a nice divorced setup, like MAP's.

GGcloudIX · 05-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

O2 elim downpipe with atmosphere dump is good for more power on almost any setup regardless of what people say.

It's just whether or not you want to deal with the noise. if you don't mind a loud car get it, if you do get a nice divorced setup, like MAP's.

Thanks for the input Murlo!! When I talked to Kody today he asked if I had talked to you, so thanks for your input! Don't think I met ya at the Style opener at DB?

And yes I heard the open dump/divorced wg are good for keeping the shuttering and between gear boost drops low and make power as well. And as for it being loud as hell?? Well I'll admit the main reason I'm getting it is cuz it screams, call me a ricer I guess

Here is my confusion: I've heard them called wastegate dumps, divorced waste gate down pipes, screamer pipes, 02 eliminator down pipes, what's the difference?? Or are they all the same thing with different names?? And how will it work with the green, what kind of waste gate comes on it and what psi spring should i select when ordering the turbo??

evotuner · 05-22-2012

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Originally Posted by t-revzr

480 to 500.. Must be maps dyno and not shanes..

Yeah man, you need some form of a built motor to be safely in that ballpark, on db or rs motors dyno's. On Maps dynojet that is doable

GGcloudIX · 05-22-2012

Ya sorry, thought I clarified, 500 corrected, roughly 425 on DB..... I am going with someting similar to Bryce's old setup on his red 9.

What do you guys suggest, for that power goal, good use on the street, and plenty of room to grow: FP 73HTA Green or a used journal bearing Red? Presuming the red is in good condition.

evotuner · 05-22-2012

Probably the green, thats gunna get you to 425 no problem and give you good torque. Take a peak at MAP's turbos too, They have 3 stock frame turbos (EF2,EF3,EF4) The EF2 is about on par with the Green. EF3 gives a little more than the Red and littles less the Black and of course the EF4 is a bit much lol.

GGcloudIX · 05-23-2012

Well guys part of the setup is on the way! ACT 6 puck clutch with HD pressure plate, 60k maintenance, and Maperformance external 02 housing dump ordered and on the way! FIC 1250cc injectors are on the way to DB. Just waiting on Josh (bramagedained) to get back to me on his fmic and FP Red! Woo hoo very excited!

Thanks for all the advice along the way everyone!!