State Sovereignty

[Halon]

Anyone hear anything about some of this? I have a hard time decyfering what's BS and what's real in the news now a days, but this caught my eye. Interested to hear from those who are more in the loop with politics then I am. Looks like a hanful of states are trying to re-enforce the 10th amendment and get the Federal Government to back off a bit.


http://www.infowars.com/21-states-claiming-sovereignty/
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/02/11/...reignty-bills/

[polishmafia]

You are basically correct.

21 states now have passed resolutions - not bills - that reinforce the 10th amendment. Which basically says the states are soverign territories and in the end are able to make decisions for themselves.

The states are just reaffirming (and reminding) that the Federal government's power is restricted to specific parts detailed in the Constitution, and that all other govermental authority is in the state's hands.

[SnoEclipse]

no, all other power resides in the PEOPLES hands with the exception of that listed in the constitution.

Political power flows from the people up through the various layers of government. Not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by SnoEclipse

no, all other power resides in the PEOPLES hands with the exception of that listed in the constitution.

Political power flows from the people up through the various layers of government. Not the other way around.

At least it used to.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by SnoEclipse

no, all other power resides in the PEOPLES hands with the exception of that listed in the constitution.

Political power flows from the people up through the various layers of government. Not the other way around.

I knew someone was going to get sand in their vagina in this thread.

Of course, the power is supposed to come from the people. So lets break this down (on a very high level here).

People -> City -> County -> State -> Federal

What Brandon was asking, which relates to what you posted, means that the Federal goverment can not overtake a State's authority when it comes to matters outside of the Constitution.

Do we really need to hash this out in detail?

[FattyBoomBatty]

Yeah, used to is right.

[BLaCk_1cE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution#United_States_2

[Febo]

Interesting stuff. Its about time the states pulled that card. I mean hell, the states can dissolve from the union entirely if they can get majority vote. We are united states, that form a republic, not a republic split into states. I think its either New Hampshire or Vermont that has a group actively trying to make their state independent from the Federal government.

[Halon]

I've heard Hawaii is trying to get out entirely. But again, just hear-say. Now a days I have no idea if what I hear is BS or True.

[Febo]

Thats because Hawaii was annexed. They could still be considered their own governmental body, just that they are too small and powerless to legitimately rise against the US government.

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

Thats because Hawaii was annexed. They could still be considered their own governmental body, just that they are too small and powerless to legitimately rise against the US government.

And too lazy

[SnoEclipse]

And Texas can either withdraw from the US or split itself up into as many as 5 states.

[Febo]

True... we did annex texas too from mexico....

[Goat Blower]

I could see this being a legitimate position with Pelosi and Reid trying to federalize everything. The Constitution is is being modified by the hour from the sounds of it. Power to the people is gone, but I can see an uprising if this keeps heading this way.

[SnoEclipse]

In the case of both Texas and Hawaii they were independant nations (Texas won their battles of independance with Mexico) before becoming part of the US. Hawaii for hundreds of years and Texas for about 20.

[CVD]

State's having power is all bullshit, as far as I know states only have the power to make laws MORE restrictive than what is laid down by the federal government. Oh yay, lets do that.