Terrorist...

santa · 07-07-2005

So I'm suprised no one posted yet about this. The attack on london this morning. Derka Derka!! I hate terrorist's!

Kevin

Onefast99gsx · 07-07-2005

Yeah it sucks! Just like the gas prices. They just went up another 5 cents this morning. 93 octane is now $2.50/gall.

Jakey · 07-07-2005

I'd rather pay high gas prices than have to read about innocent people being killed by these **********.

LightningGSX · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakey

I'd rather pay high gas prices than have to read about innocent people being killed by these **********.

Just thought I would add, most ********** are very peaceful people.Its the extremist ones that deserve the negative names

EDIT: As tragic as these attacks are, I would expect to them escalate(and continue to escalate) in the near future.IMHO This is WW3, but the enemies are just less defined as previously

sleepy2lazy · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakey

I'd rather pay high gas prices than have to read about innocent people being killed by these **********.

This reminds me of the disappearance of the lady in Aruba. The mom IMO dissed out the whole country and their justice system which is basically like ours, Innocent and proven guilty. Tons of protestors have arisen due to her live statements. In a handful, there are only a few that may have turned to the dark side.

I understand what you mean Jakey.

Enes · 07-07-2005

Jakey, I think you should correct your statement!

you don't want me to say anyhting that would stereotype All Americans as ignorant and stupid morons? Becasue they are not!

Not all people are same, the extremists, "**********" as you are saying do not represent all "**********".

Terorists are just that, Terorists, no matter what religion/orientation they are, They can't and don't represent their nation!

-E

LightningGSX · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Enes

Terorists are just that, Terorists, no matter what religion/orientation they are, They can't and don't represent their nation!

-E

I agree fully, they represent none other than their own causes.Its a shame the peacefulness taught in these religions can be skewed the way they are.

Onefast99gsx · 07-07-2005

If they'd put an end to immigration period- we'd have alot less terrorism. At minimum we'd have more control. Still our gov't allows it to continue. Setting up organizations like Homeland Security do little to nothing. All it did was give people jobs. The whole subject of illegal aliens just pisses me off. I live in a town that is full of illegal alien Mexicans. There is a food industry employer that supports it and provides them with jobs. Their community has grown hugely here. In a small town of about 1,200 our crime rate is ridiculous high!! I say ship the fucking fuckers all back where they came from. If they can't respect our laws and rights, then get rid of them. Our government is partially to blame because we don't enforce it.

Jacek · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

If they'd put an end to immigration period- we'd have alot less terrorism. At minimum we'd have more control. Still our gov't allows it to continue. Setting up organizations like Homeland Security do little to nothing. All it did was give people jobs. The whole subject of illegal aliens just pisses me off. I live in a town that is full of illegal alien Mexicans. There is a food industry employer that supports it and provides them with jobs. Their community has grown hugely here. In a small town of about 1,200 our crime rate is ridiculous high!! I say ship the fucking fuckers all back where they came from. If they can't respect our laws and rights, then get rid of them. Our government is partially to blame because we don't enforce it.

I hope you don't just think that this country is the only place with these issues? I don't think you will ever be able to control it to the fullest because people will always find a way to get by.

tpunx99GSX · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

If they'd put an end to immigration period- we'd have alot less terrorism. At minimum we'd have more control. Still our gov't allows it to continue. Setting up organizations like Homeland Security do little to nothing. All it did was give people jobs. The whole subject of illegal aliens just pisses me off. I live in a town that is full of illegal alien Mexicans. There is a food industry employer that supports it and provides them with jobs. Their community has grown hugely here. In a small town of about 1,200 our crime rate is ridiculous high!! I say ship the fucking fuckers all back where they came from. If they can't respect our laws and rights, then get rid of them. Our government is partially to blame because we don't enforce it.

As much as i agree with this, there is not much truth to it.
I went to school in Bemidji for 2 years, and Bemidji as most may not know has the highest crime per capita in the state of Minnesota. How can this be you ask? There are 3 indian reservations surrounding the city, so does this mean we should deport the native americans, oh wait we already deported them to reservations.
Mexicans whether illegal or not do most jobs that Americans would not do, for slave wages. If anything it helps americans get more educated so you can get a job and make a decent living, instead of being stuck in a dead end job.
Tom

**scheides** · 07-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

If they'd put an end to immigration period-...

Maybe you're forgetting how this country was built in the first place, by immegrants. Perhaps cracking down on illegal aliens, yes, but closing the doors? Not very likely.

[QUOTE=Enes]I am a Muslim, i am not a terrorist, want to kill me?[/Enes]

Has anyone seen any episodes of that new TV show by Morgan Spurlock, the guy that did Super Size Me? There was an episode on recently where one of his friends from somewhere in the south with a real inclination for racism and stereotyping moves north for a month to live as a Muslim.

I haven't watched much TV lately, but this show is one of the most educational/eye opening shows I've seen in a while, save Big Brother 6 (!).

xluciusx · 07-08-2005

Personally, I would love to be the first to say this, people need to realize that their religious beliefs are a bit outdated. You know like 2000 or more years. I don't believe in god, I don't follow any religion and I think the world would be a better place if people would just move on and let the old religions die. Yes religion has in the past done some good for the world, but it has also been holding back science for thousands of years as well as giving crazy people "reasons" to kill other people.

LightningGSX · 07-08-2005

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Originally Posted by xluciusx

Personally, I would love to be the first to say this, people need to realize that their religious beliefs are a bit outdated. You know like 2000 or more years. I don't believe in god, I don't follow any religion and I think the world would be a better place if people would just move on and let the old religions die. Yes religion has in the past done some good for the world, but it has also been holding back science for thousands of years as well as giving crazy people "reasons" to kill other people.

Religions themselves aren't the problem, its mans' screwed up interpretations of those religions that are the issue.

Other than that, I totally agree with you, for many years now, I've been trying to convince people religion has held back society and technology myself.

Reminds me of a quote by one of my favorite authors, Nobel winning physicist Steven Weinberg -
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

xluciusx · 07-08-2005

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Originally Posted by LightningGSX

Religions themselves aren't the problem, its mans' screwed up interpretations of those religions that are the issue.

Other than that, I totally agree with you, for many years now, I've been trying to convince people religion has held back society and technology myself.

Reminds me of a quote by one of my favorite authors, Nobel winning physicist Steven Weinberg -
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Yeah thats exactly how I feel. I mean there are people out there who can just do their thing and not affect anyone else. Then there are the people who think everyone else needs to know all about THEIR religion and how great it is. And then there are these f-ed up radicals, in EVERY religion I might add, who think anyone not in their religion needs to die.

People need to get a damn grip on reality. BTW that quote dominates. I'm glad there are some others out there that see things the same way as me.

npaulseth · 07-29-2005

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Originally Posted by LightningGSX

Steven Weinberg -
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

That's a fantastic quote.

Enes · 07-07-2005

I am a Muslim, i am not a terrorist, want to kill me?

LightningGSX · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Enes

I am a Muslim, i am not a terrorist, want to kill me?

I don't think Jakey meant anything negative about anybody, BUT, those extremists/terrorist we speak of

Onefast99gsx · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by LightningGSX

I don't think Jakey meant anything negative about anybody, BUT, those extremists/terrorist we speak of

I as well. But if we don't put more controls on things, how are we suppose to filter it all out more?

This isn't the first attack and it sure won't be the last attack. Perhaps, the next one will be on our own grounds again. The problem is we are more Reactive than Proactive. Something happens, then we setup agencies and policies. We elevate threat levels to Orange, Red, but that all fades off and then terror strikes again. We did nothing to correct the problem in the first place.

LightningGSX · 07-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

I as well. But if we don't put more controls on things, how are we suppose to filter it all out more?

This isn't the first attack and it sure won't be the last attack. Perhaps, the next one will be on our own grounds again. The problem is we are more Reactive than Proactive. Something happens, then we setup agencies and policies. We elevate threat levels to Orange, Red, but that all fades off and then terror strikes again. We did nothing to correct the problem in the first place.

Fact of the matter is, being more proactic has a tendancy to cut into our essential freedoms.I myself, would rather live in fear of a terrorist atack, than have even the smallest of my essential freedoms taken away.

EDIT: The "enemy" we fight are, as much as I hate to say this, are superior to us in may levels.They don't have political BS, democracy, near worthless political braches(which hardly ever read the bills they sign into law) and the general disarray our government does.They live to acheive their objectives, something us Americans will never do.Being proactive is really not an option at all.

LightningGSX · 07-07-2005

Another think I'd like to add, I have only met a handful of Muslims, but they were definately more peaceful than the average christian.So in short, If you were to lock me in a room with 10 Muslim extremists and 10 Cristian extremists, I'd be far more concerned of the christians.