head fused to the block ?

M1L3S · 10-12-2013

I blew my headgasket on the way home from pg2.

I let it sit till today. Wanted to get the job done before winter.

Ive done a head gasket before.

Anyway long story short. Blew a freeze plug(tyranny side)

Replaced the freeze plug. Had my buddy tighten down coolant lines (huge mistake)

I was halfway into my 2 hr car ride home when I looked at my aftermarket coolant gauge. It read 260 degrees. I thought man thats getting hot I better pull over.

Pulled over then baaammm . White smoke. Car dies. I figure hg. Look at my coolant system. It was bone dry. So my gauge was reading ambient air temp inside coolant system. Who knows how hot it got ? :/

So now the fun part. I tore it apart. Went to lift the head. Wouldnt budge. :$

So I grabed a bar. Tied a rope from exhaust side. To intake side. Then put a bar in the middle.

Buddy and I both squatted on each side of engine bay and then lifted up. Bent the bar. Nothing from the head. I removed some of the head studs. Discovered a few of them are ceased and now stripped out........

Is it even possible for a head to fuse to a block? Ive got to be missing something here :/

Sorry for the long post guys. ......

M1L3S · 10-12-2013

Any ideas on how to get it off?

dsmghost · 10-12-2013

You make it sound like you were trying to lift the head off without removing all of the head studs first.

If it's as bad as it sounds, it's no big deal if you cant separate them you probly need a different block and head for sure.

M1L3S · 10-12-2013

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Originally Posted by dsmghost

You make it sound like you were trying to lift the head off without removing all of the head studs first.

If it's as bad as it sounds, it's no big deal if you cant separate them you probly need a different block and head for sure.

Only thing that holds the head on is the 10 head studs and the t belt around the cams right ? I used the mitsu tool to slip the belt off the cams. Pulled the 10 head bolts. And she still is stuck on there like I never even took the bolts out ..........

Im confused. ......... any tips ?

M1L3S · 10-12-2013

The first time I did it this summer. I just tapped the corners with my rubber hammer, and lifted it right up.

gsxvince · 10-12-2013

Is the bracket on the intake mani and block still on it?

twack · 10-12-2013

^^^ ive done this when i was in a hurry and heard many others forget to undo that bracket

**scheides** · 10-12-2013

You unbolted the exhaust manifold from the turbo right?

Short answer is no there's more than 10 bolts holding the head down, but it saloon the peripherals.

M1L3S · 10-12-2013

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Originally Posted by scheides

You unbolted the exhaust manifold from the turbo right?

Short answer is no there's more than 10 bolts holding the head down, but it saloon the peripherals.

Unbolted:

Turbo housing from manifold.

All coolant lines etc.

Fuel lines.

Wiring

Theres no brackets from the block to head on my set up.

head bolts

Took t belt off cams ....

Its literally free from everything. Just wont pull off. Im stumped.

I honestly dont think its fused together. That seems highly unlikely. But ive double. Triple and quadruple checked everything that could be holding it on. Im completely at a loss.

Only think I can think of is that maybe the head studs exoanded from the heat ? And have it stuck together? A few of them are completely seized on.

blackrosenova400 · 10-12-2013

They can be hard sometimes because the head is sitting in two dowels. You may have to use a pry bar at a couple of safe locations on each side of the head and lift each side up slowly until it pops out of the dowels.

**goodhart** · 10-12-2013

Never heard of this happening before. That's not to say it couldn't happen though, especially if it got that hot. Just look around for any other things that may still be attached. Get anything near the head that may attach to the block out of the way. Sounds like you may have to pull the motor anyways though, since you stripped a head bolt.

If you really did strip a head bolt I would say the block is junk, but if it's still a 7 bolt I know guys are boring the head bolt holes out in them to hold 6 bolt studs, so it may still be usable if thats the case. Good luck.

Fran05 · 10-13-2013

Pound on the side of the head with the hammer gently and try to break it loose

M1L3S · 10-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Fran05

Pound on the side of the head with the hammer gently and try to break it loose

Things ive tried:

Pounding on head with a hammer. Using a 2x4 between head and hammer.

Tieing a rope from intake and exhause manifolds. So there is about 6 inches of slake in the line. Then twisting a metal bar between in. Then lifting up. Bent the bar between my freind and I.

Tried rocking it while freind lifted.

Tried pry bar on strut tower under 2 , 2x4 ( to increase leverage )
Bar was under middle of intake.

Tried pulling out head studs. Got 4 out and said f that lol. (Stripped 3 out)

Honestly want to use engine life on it. But that would be alot of work to get it to where car is. But im thinking thats my last resort.

I just dont see why it wont come undone. :/

DSMINMN · 10-13-2013

If I were you I would take the head studs out. If you're running them as there seems to be alot of talk about both studs and bolts. I've seen studs stretch a little to one side or another. That little difference in just one stud could make the difference.

M1L3S · 10-13-2013

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Originally Posted by DSMINMN

If I were you I would take the head studs out. If you're running them as there seems to be alot of talk about both studs and bolts. I've seen studs stretch a little to one side or another. That little difference in just one stud could make the difference.

Any tips on pulling seized and striped studs?

DSMINMN · 10-13-2013

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Originally Posted by M1L3S

Any tips on pulling seized and striped studs?

If one is stripped inside the block it is damn near junk. If this is a 7 bolt you can drill and tap it to 12mm, 1/2" or whatever the 6 bolts are. If the block is junk however then there's no need to worry. Pull them out. You seem to want the head off pretty bad.. So do what you gotta' do.

TkrPerformance · 10-13-2013

Are the studs stripped out or are the Alan heads stripped out on the the top.

M1L3S · 10-13-2013

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Originally Posted by TkrPerformance

Are the studs stripped out or are the Alan heads stripped out on the the top.

Stripped out on the top.

M1L3S · 10-13-2013

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Originally Posted by M1L3S

Stripped out on the top.

I figure if I ever fet the head off. I can just use vice grips on them and twist them out.

How many times can you use arps btw ?

**4seasons69** · 10-13-2013

To get the head studs out get a set of bolt extractors. Pound an extractor on and hit it with an impact. This will ruin the head stud but should get it out.