03-18-2005
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Tuning...
Ok this is a really noob question but has been bothering me and could be solved with a simple yes or no, but could be explained too.
When tuning, if you dont have a Standalone or an safc is it pretty much worthless to dyno tune besides wondering how much HP you are running?
Is there anything else that could be adjusted besides a boost controller?
Tom
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Re: Tuning...
The answer to your question is pretty much yes... worthless. The only thing you will get is a baseline of your HP/TQ #'s...
But I just remembered your other post... your installing a FMIC? Haven't looked to close to see if you have any other mods... But you will want some sort of fuel control, otherwise it can go kaboom...
Last edited by Speedfreak; 03-18-2005 at 06:21 PM..
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Re: Tuning...
Yep, you are to the point where you do need a SAFC. FMIC, T28 and cat-back (right?) could change things enough to cause problems. My next 2 mods would be SAFC then a logger.
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Re: Tuning...
You can't "dyno tune" without a way of TUNING, like with DSMlink, SAFC or a standalone. You can dyno till you're blue in the face, but you aren't accomplishing anything without a way of adjusting things.
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Re: Tuning...
Yeah the SAFC will prolly be bought this tuesday when i get paid from a side job.
my current mods are, HKS SSQV, T28, elite MBC, soon fmic, intake, cat back and rewire stock fuel pump.
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Re: Tuning...
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Re: Tuning...
Try tuning a SAFC with a walbro 255, stock fpr without a logger on just a 14b to just get better gas mileage.. Full tank of gas barely gets me 200 miles to a full tank.. Time to get a logger!
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Re: Tuning...
Jakey, the first and last link are the same, But thank you very much for adding that. Very Informative.
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03-19-2005
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Re: Tuning...
I still don't fully understand how it works, I understand the basic idea and have all the tools but it's just not coming together.
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03-19-2005
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Re: Tuning...
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Jakey, the first and last link are the same, But thank you very much for adding that. Very Informative.
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Ummm, yes and no, same general topic but different articles.
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Re: Tuning...
Do you have a downpipe and high-flow cat yet? If you don't its time for those too.
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Re: Tuning...
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Re: Tuning...
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03-20-2005
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Re: Tuning...
Shoot and here I thought this was going to be a tech thread.....
Buy some airflow adjustment aids or a standalone, and post back up tom  .
You will also need injectors, and maybe a fuel pump.
Not sure how much boost you are trying to run with the t28.
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Re: Tuning...
SAFC2 on its way. once the safc2 and the FMIC are installed im going to do some base tuning then off to torrence, CA (20 minutes away) to Harmon Motorsports to the AWD dyno for an hour for some advanced tuning.
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Re: Tuning...
Do yourself a favor and rewire your stock pump before you go. It would suck to pay for dyno time, but run out of fuel because you didn't spend $20 and 1/2 hour to rewire your pump. There is a VFAQ on it.
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Re: Tuning...
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Do yourself a favor and rewire your stock pump before you go.
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my current mods are, HKS SSQV, T28, elite MBC, soon fmic, intake, cat back and rewire stock fuel pump.
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Re: Tuning...
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LOL, owned. 
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Re: Tuning...
My bad 
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Re: Tuning...
lol, yeah.
The dyno time for their AWD dyno is actually pretty cheap, for an hour its $100 and add the wideband for an extra $25.
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