Corporate America stepping up!

**JET** · 10-25-2012

Wow, this is great to see and I am a bit shocked! 80 CEO's are getting together to try and force congress to pull their heads out of the their ass and get the deficit fixed. It is currently going up 1 TRILLION dollars each year! That is just nuts.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...145817079.html

tpunx99GSX · 10-26-2012

I Totally agree with this.
The problem though, is that congress really is the one that needs to give up on their no taxes pledge. If you remember obama gave in a lot, and really did try to negotiate with the tax terrorists and came to the 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 spending cuts vs revenue increase.
Both sides need to come to the table, give up on their basic principals of just spending vs just revenue, and realize that you need both, no just one or the other.

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-28-2012

Tom, you want more tax revenue, you raise the number of people working, that's how you raise federal tax revenues, there really is no other answer that makes sense.

You do realize Obama is one of the worst "spenders" we've ever had. You'll never get the deficit down without cutting serious amounts of spending.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ty_657889.html

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/19/...nding-records/

**JET** · 10-29-2012

Coincidence that this is about exactly how much the national debt is going up by each year? Pretty crazy numbers, thanks Vicious!

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-29-2012

Glad to help.

A//// Guy · 10-29-2012

Numbers on graphs seem to show anything these days. Im not a fan of Obama but Bush spent more during his presidency than obama has?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/

tpunx99GSX · 10-29-2012

Not to mencion that Bush kept the war spending off the books and out of the public eye. One of the first things obama did was put them on the books so that you could see how much we were spending on our military conquests. Then also that graph doesnt show the interest that is on our debt, we can thank reagan and bush sr for that, as well as clinton.
Fact is, during the whole debate over the budget in the mid term elections, obama offered up a compromise, $3 in cuts for every $1 in revenue increase, the republicans shot it down, then he even went to $10 in cuts for every $1 increase, and they still shot it down. They cant use the whole Obama didnt put forth a budget, when he has and they were purposely blocking everything to keep Obama from gaining a second term. Yet, everyone seems to ignore a little thing we call history and blame obama for everything. Sorry but last i checked we didnt live in a dictatorship, congress, senate, and supreme court all play a part in this as well.

tpunx99GSX · 10-29-2012

Also the whole "Put people to work to raise revenue", how do you expect one man, obama, to do that? The so called "Job Creators" are the ones that do that. Our economy is coming back, but its coming back at a consistent pace, I really hate hearing all of this talk about "The economy should be back and net positive right now" Im sorry but i would take a slow and steady pace over a bubble pace any day of the week, you republicans were unrealistic in setting the expectation that obama would come in office, and if he didnt turn the economy around to a 0% unemployment in 2 years, it would be a failure. Im sorry but that is just stupid. We are on the right track, we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every day when he took office, then it hit rock bottom around 6 months of him being in office, and have gained every month since.

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-29-2012

Maybe Obama should have used all his political clout on the budget and spending reform his first year of office, instead of wasting it on healthcare that the MAJORITY of the USoA didn't want. And still don't want.

**JET** · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

everyone seems to ignore a little thing we call history and blame obama for everything.

Yet you seem to forget about history and blame it all on Bush... I blame it on the whole freaking government for the last 20 years. Shit just keeps getting worse and worse. Any president could get this changed if he wanted to. Start calling press conferences and call out the people holding this up publically. You don't think that would get some things done? Nobody has had the balls to do that yet because they don't want to burn bridges because they might need a favor later on.

I hate where our government is headed, but I also don't see a way out. We need some uber rich guy in that doesn't give a crap about the money, like Bill Gates or somebody.

Super Bleeder!! · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by JET

Yet you seem to forget about history and blame it all on Bush... I blame it on the whole freaking government for the last 20 years. Shit just keeps getting worse and worse. Any president could get this changed if he wanted to. Start calling press conferences and call out the people holding this up publically.

Obama did exactly that a few months ago, during a televised speech. I'm not sure which one it was, but he called out congress for blocking his attempts to compromise with them time and time again.

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-29-2012

How about this little Jen?

Fiat (who now owns majority shares of Chrysler) is planning on moving some, if not all Jeep production to China. That's right, the American auto company that American taxpayers gave money to, and was eventually given to Fiat without a dollar changing hands. Just in case you missed the reason why no money was exchanged for majority of Chrysler ownership was, and I quote; "Fiat obtained ownership rights for Chrysler by trading SMALL CAR TECHNOLOGY to Chrysler." That is correct, the company that is tied to Mitsubishi needed Fiat to give them small technology to keep afloat.

http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/10/27/m...rcing-comments

A//// Guy · 10-29-2012

Haha I figured my post would get ignored...

tpunx99GSX · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

How about this little Jen?

Fiat (who now owns majority shares of Chrysler) is planning on moving some, if not all Jeep production to China. That's right, the American auto company that American taxpayers gave money to, and was eventually given to Fiat without a dollar changing hands. Just in case you missed the reason why no money was exchanged for majority of Chrysler ownership was, and I quote; "Fiat obtained ownership rights for Chrysler by trading SMALL CAR TECHNOLOGY to Chrysler." That is correct, the company that is tied to Mitsubishi needed Fiat to give them small technology to keep afloat.

http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/10/27/m...rcing-comments

First, its GEM not Jen. We arent talking about a girl.
So the party that was totally against bailing out the auto industry with government money because it was considered socialism and didnt want the government telling what Chrysler what to do, is now saying that it should interfere with what Chrysler should do with its manufacturing? hmm. good point vicious. ::rollseyes::
Seriously the hipocracy has to end. While i dont agree with this decision, in what the GOP calls Free Enterprise, this is an unfortunate, but necessary evil of that. And you know what, Chrysler will pay for it. If they ship the manufacturing overseas, and people catch wind of it, people will just need to boycott their cars. simple as that. We vote every day with our wallets, in the items we purchase, We choose "Made in the USA", or "Made in China", we choose "Organic" vs "GMO" we make these choices and decide what works for our society. If Chrysler makes the decision to move their production overseas and people decide to go Ford, or Chevy instead and Chrysler loses sales, well maybe they will bring it back. Many companies have done just that, as people take notice and decide to go elsewhere for products and services that are local.
The auto Bailout was a good thing, it saved a ton of jobs, but the government had to cut the umbilical cord and let the companies make their own decisions again.

tpunx99GSX · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by Super Bleeder!!

Obama did exactly that a few months ago, during a televised speech. I'm not sure which one it was, but he called out congress for blocking his attempts to compromise with them time and time again.

It was actually a couple years ago, they had a "Call Em Out" Campaign.

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-29-2012

Under Obama spending on social programs had gone through the roof. And since he stripped out the work requirement in the Welfare program just prior to this election, it will only get worse. The main way the federal government gets its revenue is through income taxes. So why is Obama not creating jobs and wealth in this country that make a real difference?

In all reality it could be argued using the word "spender", but maybe the correct term would be "deficit grower".

Super Bleeder!! · 10-29-2012

**1ViciousGSX** · 10-29-2012

Leave it to Tom to take what I said and twist it around.

Show me were I said the government should tell Chrysler what to do. I'm only pointing out how the American taxpayer got fucked again.

GEM-JEN, auto correct is a bitch sometimes.

Chrysler and GM both should have went through structured bankruptcies without government intervention, you would have had the same results without dumping all that money down the drain. But you see Tom, that would have the unions without power, and can't have that now can we?

Super Bleeder!! · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by A//// Guy

Numbers on graphs seem to show anything these days. Im not a fan of Obama but Bush spent more during his presidency than obama has?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/

HEY! I didnt see a foxnews anywhere in that link title so i refuse to read it!

Now if you'll excuse me i need to find some tinfoil for my sweet hat.

A//// Guy · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Under Obama spending on social programs had gone through the roof. And since he stripped out the work requirement in the Welfare program just prior to this election, it will only get worse. The main way the federal government gets its revenue is through income taxes. So why is Obama not creating jobs and wealth in this country that make a real difference?

In all reality it could be argued using the word "spender", but maybe the correct term would be "deficit grower".

What is your point? If romney gets elected I fear for more military spending than we are having right now, either way we are screwed when it comes to the deficit! At least the social spending is in the USA, but I dont agree with a lot of those programs though.. haha A major overhaul on spending vs what we "need" is in order. Romney or Obama sadly wont get us where we need to go.

Bush spent more than Obama and it was mostly because of war, Obama added too it, but slower than previous presidents.

Breaking it down into graphs and not looking at the big picture is not really accurate.