HELP! 420A Problems!

[Supa_dupa_man]

Ok, so i ripped my motor apart this winter, and decided to rebuild it for the third time in its life, anyways the bottom end went in as normal, i used all my existing parts, except for gagskets berrings and things that needed to be replaced.

When i got to the head i did the head gasket and such, but then i decided to upgrade the camshafts (Crane #16 cams) and the cam gears (AEM tru-time adjustables), i think i installed them right, but im not %100 sure, because the only cams/gears i have ever installed were the stock ones, and i just lined up the lines to ensure that it was in time....

well anyways i finished putting the rest of the top end togeather and tried to start the car, it turned over but did not start... so i dug deeper, and found i was not getting spark, so i bought a new coil pack, i put that in today, and tried again, still wont start.... It DOES turn over, but it DOES NOT start...

im thinking that the cams are out of sync, but im not sure how to line up those cam gears so that everything runs smoothly and it will kick over....

HELP!!!

[crazy_skier]

the cam gears should still have some marks on them for lining them up... i would double check the timing belt if your positive that the car is getting spark. also, a compression test can tell alot to.

[Supa_dupa_man]

ok so these are the camgears i have, when i put them in, i lined up the horizontal lines, just like the picture, did i do this wrong? are they supposed to have the numbers lined up instead?

[bouncer07]

Assuming your car was in for the whole winter season. Check your wires, your fuse box, down to the ground wires. Then starter + alternator. Now if they are all good, dig deeper.

Any noise in when your turn the keys in? Ticking? NONE? more info. sound?

[Jungy]

have you checked to see if your cps and cas are good?

[Supa_dupa_man]

bouncer, yes everything is good, the motor turns when i turn the key, it just wont start and run...

CPS? CAS? sorry man, you lost me?

[Jungy]

Crank position sensor, and cam angle sensor. Take a volt meter and verify your getting 8 volts coming out of the ecu for your cam and crank position sensor.Then verify at the sensor your getting the same. If either one are not working you wont get spark. Also check and see if you have 12v at the middle wire on the coil pack when the key is in the run position. I thought i remembered there being problems with the marks on the tru-time cam gears, you should line up your stock gears and check that they are correct.

[Supa_dupa_man]

^^^ crap.... do you have any pictures of yours on your cams?

[Supa_dupa_man]

both sensors are good
same with the middle wire on the coil plugin deal

[Jungy]

Did you check the adj cam gears compared to the stockers? They are supposedly different markings cuz they are designed for the neon.

[Supa_dupa_man]

yea, my stockers are already gone, crapness.... i will post some pictures i took tonight, and a video, i already ripped it all apart and put it all togeather again tonight....... but when i hop in it to try and start it, it does not chug like it should when it turns over... it seems like it all just spins.... i dont know what to do now....

[crazy_skier]

compression test... it'll let you know if you are sealing up like you should. If your cams were off it wouldn't have very good compression

[Supa_dupa_man]

well three hours later here i am... i have been out in the garage wrenching on the thing.... i reset the cam gears, and cams, now i am %100 sure that the timing is on! the car finnaly turned over but yet again DID NOT start... do you think that the computer might have got shorted out and mabye thats wh it wont run? i did not do a compression test because i do not have somebody to turn the key, lol its 3am... i am going to see if i am getting any spark, and i will also check the compression in the morning... will keep yall posted... if anybody else has any ideas, or has had something similar happen to them please let me know...

[Jungy]

hey man I added you on msn, I got your pm last night but I was busy so I couldn't talk. I've heard of ppl having the EXACT same prob that you have and their timing is 180* off so mabe your timing might be 180* off.

[Supa_dupa_man]

this is where i got my info... http://www.2gnt.com/www/corbin/rebuild.html

i dunno if thats right or not, but thats how i have them set up....

[Supa_dupa_man]

if possible, can somebody take a picture of your cams at tdc, if i can see what they are supposed to look like at tdc, i can get mine set the right way.... PLEASE!!!!

[Supa_dupa_man]

ok.... so today (sunday) i realized that jungy was right... my cam was 180* off... fixed that problem today according to http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=PROP...RK%20ALIGNMENT but, guess what? IT STILL WONT START! HELP ME! UGH! im so frusturated!

[crazy_skier]

I would check all the plugs and stuff, they could have gotten flooded since you were having both cams open at the same time

[Supa_dupa_man]

here is the story... really embarissing but hey.... it happens... so on the end of the exhaust camshaft where the CAS reads there is a little plastic cap, that i totaly forgot to take off my old cams and therefore i was not getting spark because the CAS was not reading shit... lol