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I challenge any one person to come up with a legitimate argument against this that doesn't involve religion. Unless of course you can definitively prove that your religion is the one true, correct, religion. Remember, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," has also been determined by the supreme court to mean that government can't create laws endorsing any one particular religion's views.

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The gay marriage ruling and the Obamacare ruling are ruining my straight marriage!

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Religion can be a legitimate argument; that is their opinion, which is their right. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. Do I agree with gay marriage? No. Is it wrong? Not for me to decide. If a guy wants to stick his cock in another dude's ass do I really care? Not really...have at it home boy, less competition for the rest of us :)

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When it comes to US law, religion should not be a valid argument. One of the things that the United States was founded was religious freedom. That includes not allowing religious ideals to influence decisions when making laws that affect people who may not be members of that specific religion.

Further not all Christians even agree on this issue.

And, if you want to use religion as a justification to ban thing, then I want to ban divorce. The Bible says that's forbidden, unless it's in the case of infidelity.

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Religious ideals, along with lack of religious ideals, influence voting, and voting influences law/government.

Remember, there is a difference between being non-religious and anti-religion; two completely different things.

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This is a complicated discussion. Anyone who believes gay marriage is wrong has every right to believe that for any reason.

The problem comes in when those who don't believe in it think their beliefs supersede everyone else so that those who do believe in it shouldn't have it. That's just straight up being a self-centered dick.

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Again, the Supreme Court has interpreted that laws should not endorse any one particular religion's views. So, yes anti-religious laws are not permitted, which is the more overt statement in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise." But it is also supposed to prohibit law being created based on religious views.

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cant find a single reason why not. #LoveWins

Allowing gay people to marry the one they love does not affect my life, my marriage, or my love in any way, shape or form, but does affect my friends who have chosen to marry someone of the same sex, which gives them the same happiness I have.
Conservatives who want small government should be for this, get the government out of the bedroom and stop telling people who they can and cannot love and marry.

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I don't think they needed to destroy the definition of marriage to do it, because it is the bonding of a man and a woman, has always been the bonding of a man and a woman, but there's a bigger issue here. And it's already starting to show itself because here comes the pedophiles,..... Because they deserve "the same happiness you have".

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That's a slippery slope argument.

Furthermore, its very easy to argue that people of X age and younger lack the capacity to make Y decision. There will always be exceptions to this, and some of our age limits here in America are set arbitrarily. But to a large degree, science (not subjective religious opinions) and set this straight.

Additionally, we can definitively show young kids who experience molestation, or other sexual experiences at a young age are much more likely to develop mental health problems. There is a clear negative effect there, unlike in the case of same-sex marriage (other wise now know as just marriage).

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Didn't take long at all:

http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/that-w...-equal-rights/

It is a very slippery slope...once you start making changes it's tough to stop that rolling ball of progress.

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Yep.

But the slipperiest slope of all,..... the fact that 9 unelected lawyers can write/rewrite legislation from the bench unchecked, unhindered by the Constitution they swore to uphold. And that's the worst part of it all.

There is nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that gives the SCOTUS the power to do what they did.

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SCOTUS didn't do anything that Congress couldn't undo if the people demanded it. Congress has the power to write legislation as well as amend the Constitution, if they have the backing of the people. The system of check and balances is still in effect. The country just has enough people in favor of same sex marriage that it is unlikely.

And it was the due process clause that gave SCOTUS the power to do what they did...

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Not even going to comment about all those crazy slippery slope posts. LOL Soon Ill be able to marry a hamburger because I love them so.

Didnt expect them to pass this federally at all until maybe a few years down the road, but its about time.

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You need to brush up on your Separation of Powers. The SCOTUS doesn't have the power to do what it did.

http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

A judicial activist is a judge who interprets the Constitution to mean what it would have said if he, instead of the Founding Fathers, had written it."
Sam Ervin
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"
Samuel Adams
"Day by day, case by case, the court is busy redesigning a Constitution for a nation I do not recognize."
Justice Antonin Scalia

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The same thing was said about homosexual marriages mere decades ago... It's not so crazy when you look at how quickly things have already progressed post-WWII era. What was considered to be extreme/crazy/illegal back then is now normal and common place (don't take this the wrong way, I am my no means saying its all bad). Who knows where this country will be in another 50 years. It's not like the ball of progress is going to stop just because gay marriage is legal and the Confederate flag is banned; it's just now starting to really pick up steam :)

It's that damn rock-n-roll I tell ya!

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Slippery slope, hardly. No you wont see pedophiles getting rights to marry, based on pedophilia being illegal, homosexuality is not illegal and therefore makes it ok to give rights to.
And who the hell cares about the definition of marriage? Does it really affect your marriage by redefining it? no, no it doesnt.

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The confederate flag is not banned you tool. They took it off the state capital. get over it.

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Could be said of every religion interpreting their holy book.

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Let's please refrain from name calling before Scheides blows up this section...again.

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It could be said about 6 of 9 justices who couldn't understand the plain language and meaning of four (4) words when it came to Obamacare, "through a state exchange" or the definition of marriage as being "between a man and a woman".

You've got to get past the "good intent/feelings" of what is going on and look at the bigger picture outside of your LGBT world. Everything starts with some kind of "precedent" which then opens the door for more b.s. down the road.

Whether or not you believe in gay marriage is a small part of what happened. But what you should really be upset about is the fact the SCOTUS (and the President for that matter) are over stepping their bounds as laid out by the Constitution. And that's what really matters.

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What is your logical argument for what they have done wrong?

I see you posted a website, but it wasn't written by a lawyer, it was written by a guy who describes himself as "Joe Citizen".

"If this web site seems less than scholarly, it's because I am not a Constitutional Scholar. I hold no law degrees nor can I offer any qualifications whatever which would serve to prove me competent to hold forth on issues of constitutional law. I'm just Joe Citizen with a copy of the Constitution and the ability to read and comprehend plain English."

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This thread is about to need some cooling off time.

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Agreed fully with this statement.

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Who said you have to be a "Constitutional Scholar" to understand something in plain English?

Prove him wrong if you believe the author to be so,.....

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#pedolovewins :D

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Seems like a way to flush out a population that could use some lead poisoning...

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Three Critical Questions
Here are three questions to ask yourself:

Does the Constitution empower the Supreme Court to judge the constitutionality of federal laws and regulations, and uphold or strike them down as the court sees fit?

The court has the final say in all cases that come before it.

Does the Constitution prohibit the states from determining the constitutionality of federal laws and regulations, and uphold or strike them down as they see fit?

The states have no say in federal law.

What does the Constitution have to say about the powers not delegated to the United States federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States?

They are delegated to the states. In this case, the court ruled on a matter that it concluded was under the authority of amendments 5 and 15 of the Constitution which deal with due process. Due process acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the Government outside the sanction of law.

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How you guys see pedophiles asking for equal rights is beyond my comprehension. First of all, gay marriage harms NO ONE. If marriage itself were so sacred, why do people get divorces? Shouldn't a divorce harm the sanctity of marriage? Apparently not.

Pedophilia is a crime because it harms kids! You guys are not thinking clearly. Basically saying rape will be the next equal rights opportunity.

#fail

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You seem very excited about that.

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Let's not forget it's not the church that really declares a marriage. It's a fee paid to the state. And when divorce happens what dissolves it? A court, not a Sunday service when you stand in a line to be divorced... wouldn't that be interesting though.

With that why religion is such a big factor in how people see marriage I don't understand. I respect someone's view not to agree with gay marriage, but just don't feel anyone should not have the same rights their peers do simply based on the type of hole people be pleasing.

Now who's a fan of the show Big Love? When is that ok? ;)

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I didn't see Peter mention anything about religion in his post.

EDIT Tom, I actually agree with you that you think conservatives should be happy with this. I think this topic really brings to life the difference between the terms conservative and republican. I consider myself conservative. Anyone on here who knows how cheap I am can attest to that lol. But issues like these are where it's quite obvious that I'm not republican.

I'm glad it passed, I think it helps more than it hurts.

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I know, but it's the sacred comment, which does tie to the process of how you get married or divorced.

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I agree with that, but people are saying gay marriage challenges the sanctity of non gay marriage. Opening ever other type or relationship up... pedo, animal, burger love.

Marriage stems from religious roots, but its now a political issue because the state govt controls and grants marriage licenses.

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with this law, does it force a church to perform a marriage? My understand is that the paperwork through the state is the only thing impacted. Though I guess more doors open for people to be sued if they don't want to participate in gay wedding due to it simply being a gay wedding.

You can refuse business to someone for being a dick, but as soon as the dick says he's gay you can't. Weird.

Anyway, back to shoutbox. Sorry for thread jack.

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Marriage really isn't a Christian institution. If you look at the history of marriage, it's something that's been practiced many non-Christians though out the history of humanity. It's really not even a religious institution for that matter. Marriage was really mostly intended to be an institution of identification so that people know who's offspring belong to whom. As in property/possession. Over the years it's purpose has changed many, many times in many different cultures as societal needs have changed.

Some have argued (with out using religion) that if it's purpose was to identify belonging of offspring, than it must also have been intended to promote families, and population growth. Fair enough, makes sense. Then they go on to argue that if same sex marriage doesn't promote either of these things than it's wrong.

And I can even agree with that; same sex marriage does no promote population growth. However, most scientists believe that homosexuality is natural population control. Homosexuality can be found in nearly every single species of animal. Its has been observed that as populations of many animals go up, so does that species' rates of homosexuality.

We permit all kinds of things in our society that don't have benefits to anyone else. And the reason for this is usually simply that they also don't have a negative affect on society as a whole. Same sex marriage doesn't have to effect anyone else. Don't like it? Don't have a gay wedding and don't go to them. If you avoid doing either, it's really not going to affect your life.

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If enough of the population decides polygamy is for them, it'll eventually be made legal. Thus is the nature of a government for the people by the people...

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I don't believe this will allow any level of government to force a church to marry homosexuals. Even in Loving v. Virginia where interracial marriage became legal, I can't find anything saying churches were ever forced to marry interracial couples.

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I dont understand...http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sup...O0lJ6.01....so no more search warrants...or no search warrant not required if one person says enter and the other says do not enter....? on the note of rights and changes to do with the supreme court. Not sure if true of fake story -.-

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"Justice Samuel Alito said that while police may not override a home dweller's objections to a warrantless search when the objector is physically there, when he or she is gone, those objections are no longer valid if another occupant consents to the search."

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/25/282589...olice-searches