Glenn Bitch and Fat Grey.
 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...tent=BlogEntry
Someone should really just end these guys. They are a stain in the underpants of america.

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Should have paid the $75 fee I guess :)

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Why didn't they just pay the fee to begin with?

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I agree with Beck and Grey. Pay a fee imposed to protect your house or bye bye it goes.

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Because they expected someone else to do it, personal responsibility is out of vogue these days. I bet they also called their insurance guy to hurry up and put insurance on their house because they didn't see a need for that in advance either.

We've seen this same thing in our association. We send countless letters asking for the yearly dues to cover needed expenses, and then all of the sudden when those people who tell us they're not paying need our signature to build a deck, they hurry up and make the minimum quarterly payment of $75 to build a $10k deck.

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If they have to pay the fire department $75 per whatever, then why is it that we pay taxes? Why do states put aside money for police/fire departments in their budgets? These are government departments that are run by the state and city governments, and should not be required additional money that is not called a tax. We pay for roads, police, fire, education etc etc etc. Why dont they charge for public education? oh yeah because its a tax, and if you had to pay extra it would be considered a Private School.
The one side is the $75 fee, the other side is that beck and grey mock the family even though they lost their house, their memories, their pets etc, yet beck calls himself a good mormon, Sorry buddy but true religious people do not tread all over those less fortunate, or people that have just had a tradgedy happen. its like what was said in the article, "Whats next, beck going to make fun of Cancer patients, Abused homeless children?" Just pure heartless....
I really hope you do not have to face what this family has faced, by watching their house burn to the ground while others with the means to fix the problem stand aside.
But tell me, Was it the families fault that the fire was burning in the first place? (there was a grass fire that was spreading to the house). No it wasnt.
I am just sick of all of the heartlessness... its those people who are whats wrong with america today. Not the muslims, people who cant pay your bills, or the less fortunate, its YOU, its the idiots that sit in their houses and look down on those who are making due with the hand that was dealt them.
/end rant <,|,,

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Sorry, Tom, but your buddy Gene Cranick is not a saint.

http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=46801

Consider it an involuntary fire insurance. Just as people on flood prone land can opt in for flood insurance, rural residents can pay for fire protection. This guy failed to do so and paid for it.

Tom, you're barking up the wrong tree once again.

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I don't have time to listen to the transcript right now, but judging that it's coming from the puffington host, I wouldn't be surprised if it's taken out of context, or there's a lot more to the story. Everybody felt bad for balloon boy's father, until the whole story came out. I'm guessing this is a similar situation.

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This is run like an insurance deal. A lot of people pay in a small amount so that when a few need it, it's taken care of. The alternative would be to only charge those that need it after the fact, but that cost could easily be $1000, and I guarantee this Cranick guy wouldn't pay that either. He was adequately warned just as I thought, this was no surprise.

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1) We do pay for improved public schools via property tax referendum. Residents are given a choice just like this guy/family was. He decided the $75 fee wasn't worth it to him; he took a gamble and now has to face the consequences of that decision just like parents do when they decide whether or not to increase funds for their children's school. In this case though, the choice was completely personal and not determined by the majority group so if anything he is even more to blame.

2) Yet it's ok for you to insult and wish death upon Beck and Grey?

3) He was offered protection for only $75 yet he decided against it. He has nobody to blame but himself. Time for people to take some personal accountability rather than trying to blame everyone but themselves.

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Amen.

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but Fire Dept's get paid by tax money, what are they doing with their current funding that they need this extra $75 to keep the Dept going??

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The fire department is funded by city taxes. This home was outside of the city limits (rural) so therefore I believe that said city taxes did not apply to this property. The $75 fee only applies to rural properties. It's just another case of people expecting to get something for nothing.

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Read and you shall be granted the answer.

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Weird, since my parents and their neighbor's live outside of City limits but are still covered by the City fire dept. Kind of curious that this city is different, it seems that any other city can seem to budget and protect houses outside of the city limits, but this one can't? wtf.

btw, I'm not on Tom's side on this, I just find it really weird that this city requires a supplemental fee on top of the existing taxes for a service that's all.

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Why should the residents of said city have to pay for others when others don't pay for them? The residents of the city pay for the fire dept via property taxes but those in the outside rural area do not. Maybe your parents' area is setup differently. Would you ask someone to pay additional property taxes to support a school district they don't live in?

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I'll have to ask my parents how their setup works. I would assume everyone with the same zip code would pay that city's taxes.

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Its because NORMAL states, base it on a county tax. My parents are the same way, itasca county takes the tax which is given to Big Forks fire department. Why this state is different i have no idea.
My main balk on this thread is not so much that a $x00,000 house was destroyed by a $75 fee (which is fucked up when they could have just charged the owner a penalty instead) , but because of Glenn Beck and Pat Greys attitude towards the situation, making fun, mocking and picking on this family because of their situation.
On a brighter note, the son of the father, walked into the fire department and punched out the Chief. I would have done the same :Applaud:

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Or sent them the bill? Standing there watching it burn is kinda fucked up in my book.

I would have done the same thing as the son did if this happened to my parents.

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You clearly did not read the link I posted. The home owner himself punched the fire chief. He failed at taking care of business to protect his property and it's the fire chief's fault? Stay classy, Tom.

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So what if it's different? This state/county/city is setup differently and because of it they are able to pay for it in another form. Frankly, the $75 rural fee is probably cheaper for them than if they had it included in their property taxes! I like this setup because it gives people a CHOICE in what they'd like their dollars to fund; not sure about you but I'd LOVE to have that choice when paying my taxes/fees/dues.

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Agreed, what the Fawk. Honestly where is the logic??

How simple does this get? If you dont pay a fee that PROTECTS your house, then they wont protect your house. Clearly so simple, yet for Tom it isnt?

I hope the father was then arrested for assault.

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balk - verb: To stop short and refuse to proceed.

You used the wrong word and aren't doing a very good job of balking. Unless you meant the noun, which then you still aren't doing a very good job of.

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I don't get this "I fucked up but it's still everyone else's fault but my own" mentality that people live with.

I pay for car insurance.
I pay for home owner's insurance.
I have insurance on Janelle's jewelery.
I used to carry renter's insurance.
I pay my homeowner's association dues.

Life isn't hard, but protection does cost money, this is a fact of life.

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I pay insurance on everything I have, etc. BUT... I have a feeling if this happened to one of us, or someone we know/family member, the people saying, "burn baby burn!! No $75?? Bust out the weenies and marshmellows!!" MAY, just MAY be singing a different tune. Yes they didn't pay the $75. Then send them a bill, fine them, whatever.

If they went out to the house, then watched it burn? That would be just a big of waste of money as putting it out. As long as they showed up, every one of the firefighters got paid for their time. My Father-In-Law is a retired Fire Chief in Princeton, I should ask him how they would have handled such a situation.

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^ Wed be more sympathetic because we know them, but id still say wtf for not just paying the 75 dollars in the first place.

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Wrong. They went to put out the fire that had spread to a neighboring property because they paid their fee. It's not like they went to watch this house burn and make s'mores.

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The insurance analogy fails because buying insurance doesn't mean an event won't happen.

From what I read, it sounds like the fire department could have gotten there in time to put out the fire before it got to the trailer home. What would you guys think if someone bought the home after the fee was assessed and the prior owner didn't pay it? Would you guys think the same thing? Did you guys inquire about this before getting your home???

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If he wasn't inclined to pay the assessment each year, what makes you think he would pay the bill or fine?

As far as punching out the chief, that is about the dumbest thing he could do. Not only does that open you up for criminal charges, but how inclined will that chief be to EVER help you out if needed? I understand tempers are flaring, but he brought on the issue himself by not paying. That is a very minimal fee to help protect your investment. It's a McDonald's meal per month.

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Notify the IRS and have his wages garnished. Done.

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More burden on other tax payers for time and money invested in getting a payment from someone that could've taken some personal responsibility himself and paid the assessment in the first place.

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I agree that those guys going live on the radio and rubbing salt in their wounds probably wasn't the classiest thing.

But, as others have said. The guy failed to pay his dues for this protection. You can't just pick and choose when you want to pay for protection. It's an overall very unfortunate situation. Life isn't fair sometimes, I feel bad that they are having to go through this. Just as bad as I'd feel for someone who lost a house from a flood and never paid for flood insurance. But in the end, it is what it is. He opted to not pay the dues for that protection, and they didn't offer it.

But I personally don't think it helps anyone by rubbing it in on a radio show.

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30 million listeners can't be wrong. :D Compare that to the 57 people that actually read the puffington host.

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I love Glenn Beck Pat and Stew. They're awesome!

Here is the story for the people who have not read it yet

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...logical-debate

This is actual quote from him:

"I hadn't paid my $75 and that's what they want, $75, and they don't care how much it burned down," Gene Cranick told WPSD, an NBC affiliate in Kentucky. "I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong."

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It's called personal responsibility. Plain and simple. Cheap protection was offered to the home owner at least twice (letter and phone call) but he continued to deny coverage. I'm still at a loss as to why he, or anyone, would think the fire dept would come to his rescue when he blatantly denied to pay the small fee. Everyone wants something for nothing and I'm glad the fire dept stood it's ground with the mayor backing their play. Call me heartless if you want, but I'm sick of the taxpayers having to come to the rescue of everyone all the time. Again, it's time people to start taking personal responsibility and personal accountability for their life and their actions.

I live within city limits and all property taxes and association dues are current; I did check.

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It doesn't mean an event will happen either.
DO YOU PEOPLE READ ALL OF THE INFO??? The fire department was there in time, they were next door saving the neighbors house who paid the $75 fee. Because this guy chose not to pay it the fire department's hands were tied and could not put the fire out because of the rules in place.
Then tough shit. It's called due diligence. If you don't do your fair share and you get screwed over on something then it's your fault, plain and simple. Three words: COVER YOUR ASS.


The amount of selective listening/reading/reasoning by the people defending this guy and his fuck up is appalling. No wonder this country is going to the shitter. :madashell:

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Wow, people these days.

Call me heartless as well, but I agree with everything Kracka, Matt D, etc. are saying. It is the guy's own fault that the fire dept. didn't do anything to save his house. Blame is all on him. What is $75 a year for a home owner anyways?? It was cheap protection and he didn't pay it and suffered the consequences. Case closed.

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Let's just hope the owner was smart enough to have paid his home owners insurance

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+1

You can bet his insurance policy requires him to maintain all fees required by zoning to properly protect his property. I'd be surprised if they pay 1 cent.

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http://www.theconstitutional.org/201...-on%C2%A0fire/

Based on the article I read, it looked like they had a chance to put out the fire before it even got to the person's home. You must not know that there are different sources for information...

I don't think people are defending the person as much as they are saying it is rediculous that they wouldn't try to PREVENT thousands of dollars in damage because of a $75 fee. The issue is also that people don't seem to care and are making fun of the situation.