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Eagle rods are a gamble on the big end. Measure to make sure.
The standard part number for the Wisecos doesn't fit the 1G Eagle rods. I had to send back the Wisecos for a different set with the larger pin bore to fit the Eagles. I don't know if I'll be buying the Eagles this next time. |
Out of the 10 or so motors for this year so far I have used Eagles on, not one of them have been off on either end when used with the Wiseco's. We had to have the small end pin fit to work with the Ross pistons on one motor, but that was actually expected. Every other one has been perfect.
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Just out of curiosity - what is the Max Hp that people are making with the Eagle/Wiseco combo? Has anyone pushed them to there limits?
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Firgure the E/W combo should be good for 600-650. Maybe more? Since it's been proven 1G rods can hold 500.
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I dont think a eagle rod has been broken in a dsm, but anything is possable. It seems to be just buy the crower or pauter rods becasue they cost more, but I think all 3 have the same tensle strength.
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who doesnt love scat??
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I screwed up on my post, im so sorry im not perfect.
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this is an interesting thread!
what about thoes aluminum Groden rods? i remember buscher saying they aren't any better than any other rod and they are so big that they are almost impossible to fit inside a stroker. anyone? |
yes grubtron....yes
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aluminum is a stong rod material, but they usually have to be larger than normal rods to be the same strength as steal counterparts. Buschur is correct, they won't fit in the strokers and the 2.4's I believe and are very tight in the 2.0's.
If anyone wants to check out an aluminum rod, I have one out of a nitro funny car in my tool box :). |
you put a car part in your butt?? dude, thats not kosher!! ;)
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I don't believe the Grodin rods require block clearnancing to fit in a 2.0. I do think they would be better suited to a 2.14 due to the weight and the larger bores, less stroke and better rod ratio. The biggest problem with aluminum rods is that they fail due to the inertial loads on them. The compressive and tensile loads are enough that they have a relatively short effective life span before they should be replaced. Titanium is better as is 4130 because they do not fatigue in the same way that the aluminum rods do. Aluminum is not a good solution for a street car unless you don't mind swapping your rods every season.
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i LOVE SWAPPING RODS EVERY SEASON!!! GRODIN HERE I COME!!!!
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Depends who built it and how much you spent. I wouldn't be pissed off if I spent $500 for the motor but I would if I spent $4000 on the block. |
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Doesn't matter who built it. If it's really a race motor and if you really race it, there's no getting around the rebuild. If you paid $4k for the rebuild, better start saving up or start learning how to do it yourself. |
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I wouldn't believe he was running eagles if you paid me. With his current setup, was't he saying he believed about 1160 to the wheels? Eagles are fine for budget rods, but I wouldn't try running them in anything over 650 or so. Beyond that, Crower, Pauter or I beamed Carillo's. |
Rau is running custom aluminum rods. They were for a Chevy 350, but he had the bores sized for a DSM. He did have to clearance the block on his 2.0.
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Yeah, I believe Rau is running aluminum pistons and rods. He showed me the last time I was at his shop.
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Next you are going to tell me they are forged!! :stick: |
Yup, alluminum. I thought i heard him say that also. He was bragging that they ended up lasting him a whole season.
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Hahaha.
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fool me once.. shame on you... ..umm.. ahh..umm.. a fool can be fooled again..
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hehe...aluminum pistons, what a crazy idea!
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I feel bad for you dsm guys having to pay for aluminum aftermarket pistons. Mustangs come with them stock, along with the stock aluminum axles and rear ends too.
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dsm's come stock with CAST aluminum pistons, as do most cars. we are talking about forged pistons genius.
can a 4.6 GT make 530whp on stock rods/pistons? with twice the cyls? i highly doubt it, those motors are pieces of shit unless they are the built ones in the cobras. and since your car has sooo much aluminum in it, why does it weigh more than our heavy steel awd cars? unless you drive an 03 cobra i'd shut the hell up, maybe you should go race tyler on pump gas again. or kevin for that matter. and dont forget to fill up your bottle of "fast" or god knows you won't be able to get out of your own way |
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Super friendly. :fworld: |
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And if im not mistaken, he has a 5.0, not the 4.6. Anywho, I was mistaken on the rau 175mph traps, im not sure where I got that from, but whatever I was wrong. |
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