Study says ethanol not worth the energy

[Matt D.]

http://wcco.com/nationalwire/EthanolStudy-aa/resources_news_html

Discuss.

Now knowing this I feel it's time to move ahead and forget about using ethanol on a wide scale like they're pushing us to do. This renewable resource is obviously not all it's cracked up to be.

[Kracka]

Hopefully WCCO blows that wide open and spreads it all over the 10 pm news making the MN legislature reverse the new recent law! I'm sick of ethanol and the worse gas mileage and less power output per gallon associated with it.

[LightningGSX]

Maybe you will all learn someday....
At present is isn't all the economical, this will change soon.But as far as your car goes, you can safely run higher boost and/or higher timing adv to more than account for you loss in mileage/performance.Is short, ethanol is good, an someday you misiformed people will believe so.

[LightningGSX]

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[LightningGSX]

I'm sick of ethanol and the worse gas mileage and less power output per gallon associated with it.
At least for GM vehicles, is/should/will be a reflash available which will make you not even notice you have ethanol fuel.If you have have any source of tuning in your vehicle, regardless of what the misiformed say, you should be able the boost mileage AND power with ethanol fuel

[JET]

At least for GM vehicles, is/should/will be a reflash available which will make you not even notice you have ethanol fuel.If you have have any source of tuning in your vehicle, regardless of what the misiformed say, you should be able the boost mileage AND power with ethanol fuel
I disagree. If they mixed the same 92 octane gas that we used to get with ethanol, then yes it would bump up the octane level. Notice it still says 92 octane though? Well, they are taking the old 90 octane, mixing it with 10% ethanol and you have 92 octane. So we aren't getting any gains from it, we use more fuel because of less energy stored in the ethanol.

[Matt D.]

I didn't post this so it could become another "ethanol sucks for performance use" bitch-fest. The study has proven that simply creating ethanol isn't efficient. Negative energy, if you will. Like extracting oil from the sand in Canada.

[Steeltwo]

I didn't post this so it could become another "ethanol sucks for performance use" bitch-fest. The study has proven that simply creating ethanol isn't efficient. Negative energy, if you will. Like extracting oil from the sand in Canada.


with modern technology you are correct.

at one time, normal gasoline was the same way vs coal and other hard fuels.

[Jakey]

You all know that I'm a huge ethanol supporter, have always used ethanol, and will continue to use ethanol. Cornell University has (to my recollection) never had anything pro-ethanol ever be published and David Pimentel (again to my recolletion) has been one to continually preach against ethanol. However, I have read reviews of his work before and have learned that many are cautious about his publications because he loves to use agricultural production figures and facts that are beyond outdated versus modern information. By using the outdated information, he is 100% correct as ethanol used to be a complete waste of energy due to the drastic loss ration in terms of production versus output. However, this has been improved exponentially in recent years. I just got back from an American Society of Agricultural & Biological Engineers conference in Tampa Bay, FL. I'll do some digging through the most updated technical papers and publications and see what I can find for facts to post up.

[Pushit2.0]

The simple fact is we will run out of fosil fuels someday. I dont see a problem in mixing ethonal in with gas. But I do not have a vehical that "needs" pump gas hp. I am going to run my car off methonal, but that is not really a street driving fuel.

~John