Study says ethanol not worth the energy

[Jakey]

but the method for extracting the ethenol uses petroleum, IIRC. double edged sword.

True. However, the major players in the agricultural diesel engine market (Deere, Cummins, CAT, Iveco, Sisu, Deutz, Perkins, etc.) have made major strides in terms of their ability to run high concentrations of bio-diesel.

[Kracka]

bio-diesel.
DEATH!

[Jakey]

DEATH!

Why? Come on Hughes, you're not doing a very good job of arguing. :p

[Emcee gsxtc]

Bio Diesel is one of the best things to come out of soybeans ever. I run E-85 in my minivan all-day everyday, no problems, better gas mileage in town, and I save a shit load of money.

[1ViciousGSX]

I realize ethanol has some downfalls but just curious Mike, anything in particular that you're referring to here?Corrosion/oxidation to metal parts, deteriorates rubber seals & fuel lines. Requires a richer fuel mixture to burn, so you may save a liitle money in the cost per gallon, but with less fuel economy it may cost you the same or more.

As far as the car companies go, they are probably getting kick-backs, tax breaks or something out of the deal.

[Kracka]

Bio Diesel is one of the best things to come out of soybeans ever. I run E-85 in my minivan all-day everyday, no problems, better gas mileage in town, and I save a shit load of money.

E85 equates to lower MPG, not higher.

Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.

[FattyBoomBatty]

E85 equates to lower MPG, not higher.

Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.

yeah, but e85 costs around 1.79 right now. i think there would probably be some overall savings there. low grade gas is like 2.09.

[Black97civic]

Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.

I heard that was due to a bad batch of biodiesel made locally, if we are talking about the same thing.

Also, how is it possible that some people have run biodiesel with no problems, then some truckers get fucked by it?? Methinks there needs to be more refinement and higher standards, but the base for a great fuel supply is definately there.

Edit: plus when you "crack" grease to break it down to biodiesel, you also get glycerin, so cheap soap will be a possibility too. :D

[Jakey]

Biodiesel is not a good thing, it clogs fuel filters in the cold and is costing the shipping and trucking companies a fortune.

I have never seen any documentation which proves that. All the trouble that truckers in Minnesota were having recently was from refining issues.

[Jakey]

Corrosion/oxidation to metal parts
I have never heard of this before.


deteriorates rubber seals & fuel lines.
On older vehicles, yes. On newer vehicles, I have never heard of such.


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