50 trim in - lot's of smoke from exhaust

[Matt D.]

Can you make power on a 7 bolt? Yes.
Will it ever be reliable? No.

Take JET and ecoli's advice and do it right the first time.

[Kracka]

Will it ever be reliable? No.


That is false, many people have made good power on the 7-bolts w/o incident. Let the kid do what he wants. Its his money and he's chosen the advice he wants to listen to. Is it right? Maybe. Is it wrong? Maybe. Shindley has spend a lot of time with the car and obviously knows more about it than any of us do.

[howslowcanyougo]

2G dataloggers are about as useful as the blinky A/F gauges. He should take the money for the aftermarket rods/pistons and buy something that can log for real like DSMLink.


I agree totaly, you NEED to log knock to properly tune you car without damaging it!

And the ONLY way to really do it right on a 2G is with DSMLINK!

Man you'd be way better off with a descent used 6 bolt and a used DSMLINK than a pre-walked, rebuilt 7 bolt with no knock logger!

If it's just a manner of money, then just save your money till you can do the job right, come'on man, don't walk back into the same damm hole your just trying to crawl out of???

Listen to what about 10 differnet DSM gurus are telling you here on this board < but exclude me as I am not a guru, but I'm just smart enough to listen and learn from these guys>, they are really trying to help you out here!

IMHO

[Raptor]

This is getting old. Build the 7 bolt if you choose to, remember this thread. Come back and read it over and over after your engine fails. You can ask yourself then why you chose not to listen to the advice given. Then maybe you will realize that the people telling you this know what they are talking about. And yes there are a few in this thread with a lot more mechanic/DSM experience than Mr Shindley, regardless of his age.

[slowbubblecar]

2G dataloggers are about as useful as the blinky A/F gauges. He should take the money for the aftermarket rods/pistons and buy something that can log for real like DSMLink.
Thats what I meant

[BKs50trimGST]

just to let you know, even if i got dsm link i wouldn't know how to use it at all, i suck with that kind of stuff, i mean isn't it kind of a hassle using your dsm link everyday? turning on the computer, setting it up, and making sure everything is ok even before you can drive the car?

[Raptor]

Get it tuned, take the laptop out of the car and after that beyond logging, it is not necessary to use it again unless you need to change or test something.

[CDeutsch]

The one thing that I will go toe to toe with anyone on is this, you don't put ARP mains in without align honing period. Bad engine building practice. That alone makes me question what else he doesn't know.

When I first brought my 2.4 block to Steve at Headwerks (over 3 years ago now) I told him I was going with ARP mains and he immediately told me the same thing, so I ended up just using new stock Mitsu mains. Someone needs to come up with a big list of do and don'ts for 4G63/64 rebuilds. Too much money seems to be wasted on bad rebuilds. In fact lets start the list right now with the number one "Don't":
1) Don't build a "built" 7-bolt motor. ;)

[BKs50trimGST]

1) Don't build a "built" 7-bolt motor.

what do you mean by that>?

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Did you read any of the previous posts?