How Do You Think The Debate Went?

[LightningGSX]

Bottomline, a company should have the right to do whatever they can to increase their profits.I don't buy that crap about spreading the gap between income classes.

[A//// Guy]

Middle class willnever go away... atleast in our lifetime for sure.

The jobs being shipped over seas are mainly production jobs that just cost too much over here to keep people working on them. They are mainly lower to middle class jobs.

[CVD]

Shipping jobs overseas contributes to the global economy. Shipping our middle class jobs to other countries doesnt destroy the middle class. If anything it displaces it until the other countries' economies are built up to the point where it is no longer economical to ship the jobs there. When they start demanding higher wages and healthcare.

Make sense? No? Take econ or something.

[JET]

Also, the shipping jobs overseas came from the democrats. Remember a little thing slick Willie put into effect called NAFTA? It really has hurt our economy. Our recession came from that.

The companies put out in their reports that they are going to make all this extra money from cheap labor, so the stocks go up. The thing they didn't plan on was that all these people that got laid off aren't going to be buying their products anymore because they don't have a job, so everything starts going downhill and we get the recession.

Luckily we do have programs out there that help train employees who lost their jobs to overseas workers. This costs us all tax money, but gets us more skilled labor. This has a 2 sided effect. It allows that person to make even more than they were before, but it creates more skilled workers, so the average wage goes down or does not increase as much as it should, decreasing the wages for the workers already in that field. So, there are good and bad parts to it, depending on which side of it you are on.

[john]

Originally posted by EclipseTurbo@Oct 6 2004, 09:35 PM
Middle class willnever go away... atleast in our lifetime for sure.
You are right, who cares if the middle class dissapears. We will all be dead by then. I know my kids or grand children aren't going to care if they are stuck in the lower class.

If you look at it that way, why did we attack Iraq? They were not doing any harm to us? Why not fuck the global economy and focus on ours?

[slowbubblecar]

Originally posted by CVD@Oct 6 2004, 09:43 PM
Shipping jobs overseas contributes to the global economy. Shipping our middle class jobs to other countries doesnt destroy the middle class. If anything it displaces it until the other countries' economies are built up to the point where it is no longer economical to ship the jobs there. When they start demanding higher wages and healthcare.

Make sense? No? Take econ or something.
How long do you think it would take for the whole entire world to be at the point where it wouldn't be more economical to send jobs out. Our standard of living is completely different than the standard of living for many other countries. Some places, people can live off of 3,000 a year. You cant live off that here.

[john]

Originally posted by CVD@Oct 6 2004, 10:43 PM
Shipping jobs overseas contributes to the global economy. Shipping our middle class jobs to other countries doesnt destroy the middle class. If anything it displaces it until the other countries' economies are built up to the point where it is no longer economical to ship the jobs there. When they start demanding higher wages and healthcare.

Make sense? No? Take econ or something.
There is always going to be someone willing ot do it cheaper. If you look at everything this way, you are totally going to destroy the middle class. It is not just going to set it aside. What about all the people in Africa who are dying because they have no food? They will give anything for a bit to eat. Why not send all of our jobs to them, pay them nothing besides giving them a bowl of ramen three times a day? Lets start slavery all over again...
It is going to take too long for the global ecomomy to catch up. What do you have to say about the people who have gotten layed off at their jobs after being there for 25 years? It is happening all over the place. My mom had to say goodbye to a co-worker that worked at RBC- Dain Raucher with her for 18 years. She was layed off a few months ago. When you, your dad, mom, or someone you care for gets layed off, try and tell me that you are fine with it. My dad has been out of work for a few (3.5) of years. It is very hard to find a decent job now. All of us have heard of all the kids coming out of college that cannot fined work. I work at Ace hardware and the owners daughter is back after 4 years of college as she cannot find a job. A girl who quit from my work in july has still not found a job. She has been looking hard for one since she left, I have even been helping her. Several generations, possibly even centuries will pass before the middle class will catch up globally. That is where our presidents should step in. Instead of not taxing companies who ship jobs away, we should tax them harder. We should also give companies who do not ship jobs away tax credits. It turn we can control our ecomomy. CVD, you know that the government is the largest influence on the economy. They should step up. The current president hasn't.
Why should we be responsible for for supporting the economy of the whole world by letting ours go to shit? Why are we always the ones to step up? Obviously nobody else cares, why should we?

[SlimStyleDSM]

The advice most of us have recieved is just no longer possible and instead of bitching about it, just man up. Go to college, get good grades, find a nice company, and devote yourself to them and they will give you a safe secure job. Thats a thing of the past, there is no such thing as a safe and secure job any longer. Its not a secret, so just deal. There is not going to be any social security for you, its not a secret, so deal...make you own. Why does everyone depend upon others to make their life work for them? Learn some financial intelligence, its not taught in school, if you need some books to borrow, let me know i can supply you with many. Don't depend upon the gov't to make your life simple and problem free or anyone for that matter. :goodluck:

[CVD]

You make some valid points about the time it would take for the global economy to catch up. But another issue is the fact that we have skilled labor here. There is very little skilled labor in sub Saharan Africa and I very seriously doubt we are losing any jobs to places like Nigeria or the Congo. BUT, the bottom line is that I'm sticking by my previous statement; Yeah, it would suck to lose your job, but it's not the end of the world and you cant blame the president, or even the government for everything.

I was in this situation last year. I had an excellent job that paid VERY highly for the type of work I was doing. It was in the mortgage industry and that industry started getting really slim towards the fall of '03. I got laid off because there was no longer work for me to do. The furthest thing from my mind was to blame the government for raising the interest rate (which was the ultimate cause of the decline of business). It took me 6 months to find a new job and this job aint as nice nor does it pay as much. I'll live, and I'll just have to work harder to achieve my goals.

As for the businesses that are looking for cheap labor, ultimately there is a net benefit for everyone involved. Jobs for the poor in other countries, and cheaper products here at home. It's too bad some people get the short end of the "benefit stick" but to say that it is wrong or that the president should fix it so that people dont lose their jobs is, in my opinion, selfish and short sighted.

[remy]

Originally posted by vapour24@Oct 6 2004, 05:56 PM

Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session.
The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight"
They met on Feb. 1, 2001, when the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.


On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera during a taping of NBC's Meet the Press, moderator Tim Russert said Wednesday on Today.


On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina senator.

Again you lie. Stupid fucks.