Suprised This Hasn't Come Up Yet...

[Halon]

I'm lovin that picture!!! And Tom I just wanted to reply to one thing you said. You said you're getting a lot of info from people who are and were in the middle east, and they are getting lied to constantly you say. I dunno if you knew, but I was there for OIF from February until June. Anyway, of course the people who are over there and stuck in that shit hole right now are upset. Wouldn't you be? I'm sure if I got stuck over there for a year, I'd be pretty pissed and prolly have a small grudge towards Bush, or anyone high up in command, about that. Hell I was pissed and was only there 3 1/2 months. Then it doesn't help when people start rumors that you're going home. You get excited, just to be let down because it was all a rumor. Then all the letters you write home now, you talk about how they said you were supposed to go home but they cancelled it and you're all pissed off at everyone who does have the power to send you home, and you feel you have no purpose there anymore so why can't you go home. It happened to all of us in my unit. Once the word got put out we were gunna go home, everyone was excited. Then our date kept getting pushed back, and we all were pissed. So anyone we communicated with at home just heard about how they lied to us and we're stuck here and we're not doing anything so we might as well go home, but they all got it out for us and aren't letting us leave. Well now that I am home, it's easy to look back and see it wasn't their fault. We all just wanted to get the hell outta there and never come back, and we were all tired and pissed off and sick of living with each other. Troops overseas aren't always the best people to get info from even though they are over there. Just maybe a lil food for thought in case these people you talk to overseas are filling your mailbox full of these same types of messages. I'm not gunna argue my views though, I'm one shitty arguer. I just think Bush played his hand pretty well for the cards he was delt.

[Blade]

Bush.

[Halon]

Originally posted by glempo@Aug 9 2004, 12:25 PM
This is crap... I usually like what you say dude but this is BS. I know im not gonna change your mind or anything. But i personally dont see how taking over a country and forcing our ways, and ideals is freeing a country. "here ya go guys...we killed the crazy leader guy, left you with no government. And now were gonna set up a government like ours and all will be good!" Or hey lets a have a military precence in any country we can.. thats crap. Wed never let another country do that to us...

We as americans are arrogant, self centered, and oblivious to how the world works.. most americans think the world likes us. And thats just not the case. I personally am not only ashamed of our president, but at what our "great nation" has become. Were like 1940s Germany without the killin of inoccent people.

I personally will be leavin this country as soon as its possible.

the only reason i would vote for Kerry is to keep bush out of the office.. i wouldnt vote for him normally, but i think bush is a monkey puppet
OK sorry gotta add couple more things. First off we didn't kill their crazy leader. Shit I'm not 100% sure, but didn't we give them back custody of him? Also ya we did have influence on what type of government they will have. We helped them to create it, so that'd prolly be a good reason we had a little influence on what kind they would have. And this form of government sure seems to work I'd say. But we just helped them create a platform to build off of. They now have control and can mold the government to fit their society better. We just helped them create a platform to build off. Also to the guy saying what right do we have in other countries like Japan. Well for one, we will always have a huge presence in Japan. Why? Well because after WW2 they signed a contract saying they will no longer have a military and that the US will protect them from domestic enemies. So that's our business in Japan. As for the other countries. We aren't forcing them to let us have bases in there. We become allies, and they allow us to. They can kick us out whenever they want. And one last thing about how someone said something about going to war without the UN's approval. You think this is the first war we've fought without their approval?

[2003eclipse]

why are you all dumb, vote for who you want and just shut the fuck up for christs sakes. dont you understand a persons views are a persons views and are not going to be changed.

Even if you win an argument on the internet your still retarded.

[tpunx99GSX]

"There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, realize the following .. "

I just have a little to say about this... That point right there totally proved my point. That comment was supposed to help bush??? That just hurt him. Why is he letting our troops die over there, when he should be putting the effort into saving our streets, getting rid of poverty and helping AMERICANS.
The president says with his reform agenda 'we've turned the corner.' But we've lost over a million jobs, health care costs are up 40 percent and the deficit's out of control. That's not turning the corner. America can do better, and that starts with electing a new president with new policies. its the truth, and you cant deny it, we are in for some huge trouble money wise people, this war was way over budget and when this bill comes we how are we supposed to afford this?!?!? Im scared for our future because of bush.

Me612: please hit the enter key once in a while buddy.

and to everyone, im sorry i was getting a little pissy, i was really fucking pissed earlier. absolutly livid. but then i watched the new chris rock movie and he put things in perspective for me. he said "I hate anyone that makes a decision before the question is even at hand. Fuck republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, america needs to wait for the facts and get all the facts then make a fucking decision." it went something like that but you get the point.
Tom

[Goat Blower]

Is it a coincidence that the Bush-haters in this thread can't spell or use proper sentence structure, grammar, etc? I think not.

Kerry likes to point out stuff like the fact Bush didn't run out of the room full of children when first told about the events of 9/11. Seems to me he doesn't really have much to say at all, except for some empty promises of what he'd do as President. It's nice to have someone that's already done good for this country, instead of some dreamer that changes his views every three months or so.

I heard Bin Laden is voting for Kerry. He's the right man for the job. :bs:

[Halon]

I will use enter more often, thank you for pointing that out! And I agree about the whole jobs and healthcare stuff. That's why I said I think we could use another president who will focus more in on the US, and less on the entire world. But I just don't get a good vibe from Kerry. So I'm still undecided who I'm voting for. I just wanted to say that I thought Bush did an alright job.

[FattyBoomBatty]

Originally posted by 1QUICK4+Aug 9 2004, 07:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1QUICK4 @ Aug 9 2004, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Conquests are better@Aug 9 2004, 07:12 PM
i am going to vote for kerry. i suppose i can't change anyone's mind, but guess what? MN votes dem in presidential elections. at least in my recent memory. but for some reason this time it's a big swing state. there are like 10 swing voters here.

bwahahaha, kerry world domination!!!&nbsp; lol.
Actually, Bush almost won MN last election. [/b][/quote]
exactly.

[vapour24]

I havent really researched this but ive been reading around on CNN, is there surposed to be a draft in 2005 if Bush is still in office? theres 140,000 Troops in Iraq monitoring 25 million Iraqis and 5 soldiers for every 1000 Iraq civilians.

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by Goat Blower@Aug 9 2004, 09:59 PM
Kerry likes to point out stuff like the fact Bush didn't run out of the room full of children when first told about the events of 9/11.
Michael Moore seems to like that fact as well.Certainly one of the most ridiculous things they could use as ammo against Bush.