Planned Parenthood

[AwdGSX13]

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

Lol only one solution that i know about to fix that. You are giving people like that the ok to have un-protected sex and not care if they get pregnant. People like that should simply not be allowed to have kids or pretty much make it impossible. "someone has to pay for all these kids" wtf gtfo.

[SlowWhite]

It's not the children's fault. Nothing will change until you hold the parents responsible for their own actions.

As sad as her situation is, who's fault is it?

I fully agree

Children are innocent by standards. There situation is strickly the fault of the parents.

[jeremy1375]

Remind me again, what's wrong with preventing children from being brought up underfunded, uneducated, filthy, malnourished environments; before they grow up and rob me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

Abortion is legal and didn't stop that lady. There's no fair way to hold anyone accountable in that situation. You can put the kids in foster care, but that'll just fuck'em up more.

[1ViciousGSX]

There's no fair way to hold anyone accountable in that situation.

Please explain this,... ^^^^^

Did somebody put a gun to her head making her get pregnant 15 times? 15 times! Sounds like she's a baby factory to get more checks and now the checks aren't enough.

Did somebody in school keep her from getting an education that would allow her to provide for herself?

Did somebody tell her to choose her man poorly?

Where is the father ? Oh, probably in jail, right?

Is she actively looking for employment or assistance? Or just waiting for the Gubment to save the day?

[jeremy1375]

How do you propose to hold any person accountable to anything in that situation? Jail time for too many kids? Forced sterilization? The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so.

[1ViciousGSX]

How do you propose to hold any person accountable to anything in that situation? Jail time for too many kids? Forced sterilization? The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so.

OK,
So do we "sweep it under the rug" and pretend there's not a problem that needs addressing?
Or do we ask the parents,..

Why did you have so many babies knowing fully you couldn't support them?
And who's fault is that?
And why should the tax payer be on the hook for 15 mistakes?
When does the person become responsible for their own actions, when number 16 pops out?

I say either they show how they intend to provide for those kids or take them away for their own good and adopt them out to break the "The parents in that case are stupid - their parents were probably just as much so" cycle .

[jeremy1375]

Ok. In theory your solution sounds good. How would it work in practice? Let's say we take your approach. According to the video, the financial problems arose when the father went to jail.

Should government proactively question all parents when they reach a certain number of kids on their ability to pay if circumstances change? How many kids would that be?

If the kids are separated from their family and adopted out, what does data say about the kids likeliness of improving outcomes? What's it going to cost to jail the mother when she loses her shit after having all her kids taken away?

Do we do the same thing to a middle class white family that falls on hard times and needs government assistance if they have X kids and the dad went to jail or became unable to work? What would those specific criteria be to determine the government can take a person's children away permanently?

How much will the bureaucracy cost to implement, track, and enforce this regulation?

[AwdGSX13]

The fact she says that "someone needs to be held accountable" shows that she is too stupid to be able to take care of children. they should be taken away.

[1ViciousGSX]

Ok. In theory your solution sounds good. How would it work in practice? Let's say we take your approach. According to the video, the financial problems arose when the father went to jail.

OK, so whose fault is it he went to jail? A responsible father wouldn't risk not being there for his children. In fact, a responsible mother and father would not make 15 kids they couldn't easily support.


Should government proactively question all parents when they reach a certain number of kids on their ability to pay if circumstances change? How many kids would that be?
Proactively, no. In cases like this, yes. In her case, I'd say at least 14 too many. If the circumstances are worse, I'd say all 15.


If the kids are separated from their family and adopted out, what does data say about the kids likeliness of improving outcomes? What's it going to cost to jail the mother when she loses her shit after having all her kids taken away?
You really believe that these children have it better now than if they were taken into a more stable environment? If you believe "it's all about the children", then obviously you can see how leaving them in a situation like that does NOTHING to improve their outlook or their future. But it does create more Democratic voters, that's for sure.
Do we do the same thing to a middle class white family that falls on hard times and needs government assistance if they have X kids and the dad went to jail or became unable to work?
Yes we do. Do you think that only black families lose their children because they can't take care of them? If you do, you'd be wrong.
Foster care, foster homes, child protective services, etc. are there for a reason, to protect the child above all else. And it knows no color.
In fact, in most cases, try being white and getting half of what families like hers will get subsidized with.


What would those specific criteria be to determine the government can take a person's children away permanently?
Seems obvious to me, but lets see,...
Can you provide food for them and how?
Can you provide clothing for them and how?
Can you provide shelter for them and where?
Are they getting taken to school for their education?
Are they safe where they are (overcrowded living conditions, home environment, etc.)?
How is their hygiene?


How much will the bureaucracy cost to implement, track, and enforce this regulation?
How much will it cost to be her "babies daddy" x 15?
And then those 15 babies "babies daddies" x how ever many they make?

[jeremy1375]

^ ^ You make some good points. I would argue though that because it could affect middle class whites it could never become law as it wouldn't be politically viable on either side. The law would inevitably cause some white middle class families to lose their children due to a spouses jailing, death, impairment, or other issue that was out of their control.


The fact she says that "someone needs to be held accountable" shows that she is too stupid to be able to take care of children. they should be taken away.

Maybe, but if you give her the benefit of the doubt, other things could come into play. What if her religious beliefs are against contraception or says the more kids you have, the greater your rewards in heaven?

Maybe she doesn't believe the father is guilty and thinks he's being unfairly jailed.