Golden763 - BAD GUY!! any info on user?

[dsmreck]

Portum you have 20 people telling you the same thing and one guy batting for do nothing. How much advise is needed? Post this to a bigger forum and see what the response is.

[Halon]

Judge Judy deals in civil issues. You are talking about a criminal act. The burden of proof is not the same. You're talking a big game and you've got zero skin in the game. All golden has to do is show communication between himself and the seller and the issue about it being stolen is dead. Any text, voicemail, online communication would be evidence. It's very heartwarming to see how you're willing to risk him perjuring himself so you can be right. Mob mentality is currently in force on the issue.

So you're recognizing this verbal agreement. So, is that agreement not a two way street? Why does it sound like you're saying the one who did not fulfill his half of the agreement is protected? Not fulfilling his portion, how is that not stealing? Makes no sense to me. If I go buy a TV, act like I have full intentions of paying for it, but write a check that bounces 2 days later after I already brought the TV home. That's not stealing? I can just keep on living my life and never expect police to show up at my door?

[dsmreck]

^ settle down halon some people lack common sence and giving them perfectly acceptable explainations or annologies is no way to treat them

[Halon]

:D

[jeremy1375]

So you're recognizing this verbal agreement. So, is that agreement not a two way street? Why does it sound like you're saying the one who did not fulfill his half of the agreement is protected? Not fulfilling his portion, how is that not stealing? Makes no sense to me. If I go buy a TV, act like I have full intentions of paying for it, but write a check that bounces 2 days later after I already brought the TV home. That's not stealing? I can just keep on living my life and never expect police to show up at my door?

If the police recognize the verbal agreement, why shouldn't I? They are the ones enforcing the issue. They are the ones who could arrest portum89 for falsifying a police report. Do you not understand that he would have to lie to report it stolen?

It would be a shame if portum89 reported it stolen, got in trouble for falsifying a police report, and golden763 suffered no consequences. That is the situation I don't want to see happen.

As far as golden763, he could crash into a wall and die a fiery death and I'd feel like he got what was coming to him. No matter what I or anyone else feels about him, the legal facts are what they are.

[jeremy1375]

Jeremy and golden would be a deadly combo. Theif and the lawer who drives a 90. Playing the hmmm idk maybe I should roll over game is over. Time for action before this poor kid who still thinks everyone out there is a good persons car is completely fucked from his life.

I'm not a lawyer. I offered to help him repossess. You are offering armchair advice that could get him in trouble.

[Halon]

If the police recognize the verbal agreement, why shouldn't I? They are the ones enforcing the issue. They are the ones who could arrest portum89 for falsifying a police report. Do you not understand that he would have to lie to report it stolen?

It would be a shame if portum89 reported it stolen, got in trouble for falsifying a police report, and golden763 suffered no consequences. That is the situation I don't want to see happen.

As far as golden763, he could crash into a wall and die a fiery death and I'd feel like he got what was coming to him. No matter what I or anyone else feels about him, the legal facts are what they are.

Relax dude! It was as simple question, and you completely dodged it and are getting defensive. I'm not a lawyer, you seem more versed in legal jargon, so I'm just asking here, not making a statement or attacking you. So I'll try again.

I never suggested falsifying a police report (others may have but not me), so we can just put that item to rest. All I said is to report it stolen. I never suggested to withhold or hide details, or lie to them them when you call it in stolen. Give them the details. To me, whether you recognize the agreement or not, this is still stolen.

I never told you not to recognize the agreement, all I'm trying to say is if the agreement is recognizable (by you, the cops, the virgin mary), then why does it sound like your saying the only person responsible for this agreement is Portam, why isn't the entire agreement recognized? There's two people involved in this agreement, both of which had obligations, right? The agreement wasn't "Golden you get the car, period". It was probably more like "Golden you get the car, Portam you get money, deal". So why does it sound like you're saying Golden is off the hook simply because an agreement was made? He never fulfilled his part of the agreement, doesn't that matter? Does this verbal agreement just gives him until the end of eternity to fulfill his half? Portam gave him the car (he fulfilled his half). Golden hasn't paid him in over a year now (violation of his half). That is stolen. No different than if you agreed to sell me a turbo, I show up, write you a bad check and leave with the turbo, and I just ignore you for a year. Is that not stealing?

The question is, Golden never fulfilled his part of the agreement, he now has possesion of car that he never paid for, and doesn't have the title to. HOW IS THIS NOT STOLEN?

[jeremy1375]

In your last post, you mentioned using a bad check and that is a completely different issue that doen't apply here.

I'll do my best to explain. If I were to go to a store and walk out with a tv and not stop at the register or make any agreement with any store personnel, I would be stealing the tv. I never legally possessed it and that is a crime.

On the other hand, if I go into a store and they offer me payment plan and we agree on it, then I walk out of the store with the tv, I've legally taken possession of the tv. I still haven't paid for it, but I've legally taken possession. At this point, the laws that govern the transaction are contractual and a civil matter. If I don't pay them, they can call me, sent my account to collections, and do all sorts of other things, but I'd be guilty of no criminal offense. The worst that could happen is a judge in a civil court could order me to give the tv back and pay some fees. But, it's up to the store to initiate that transaction with the courts. The police aren't involved in the issue.

In the case of vehicles, at least there are repo laws to get the vehicle back without going to court.

Does this explanation help to distinguish things?

[portum89]

I tried reporting it stolen already. What the police officer said due to my situation it was a civil manner therefore not considered stolen. I can try again at the local police station in cambridge tomorrow if tonight nothing is settled. Will stay posted.

[blackawdtsi]

I have experience with trying to enforce verbal agreements and even court orders.

Police do not want to and will not get involved in civil issues.