NFL getting political?

[Trogdor]

Formar Viking Matt Birk's opinion letter to the Star Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171850721.html?refer=y

Viking's punter, Chris Kluwe's Response in PP.
http://blogs.twincities.com/outofbounds/2012/10/01/out-of-bounds-blog-no-14-problems/

Regardless of what your view on gay marriage is, they're both worth a read.

[niterydr]

Kluwe Rocks!

[Trogdor]

I agree. I haven't seen an argument for banning gay marriage that didn't involve religion as a reason or falsely speculating that children of gay parents are somehow worse off.

If someone has one I'm open to hearing it.

[Trogdor]

The one thing I can fault Kluwe's argument for is part about the first amendment. The freedom of speech and religion limits government from passing laws as it pertains to religion. Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent people from using religion as an argument to pass a law. At best, it prevents law makers from favoring a religion, or promoting a religion.

[2Point3TSi]

I agree. I haven't seen an argument for banning gay marriage that didn't involve religion as a reason or falsely speculating that children of gay parents are somehow worse off.

If someone has one I'm open to hearing it.

That's all the reason I need. If the Bible says man and a women that's the way it is.

[Trogdor]

That's all the reason I need. If the Bible says man and a women that's the way it is.

The bible says many things that are now seen as antiquated, and would be considered oppressive, or misogynistic. So, if you're going to use "the bible says so" as justification for an argument, you'd better be prepared to put your money where your mouth is be willing to accept all of other things that would come along with it.

Furthermore, that whole "shall not lye with another man" thing was actually referring to a practice known as Pederast. The social acceptance of this changed several times through out history. At some points it was normal and accepted rite of passage, at other times it was viewed as hazing or the modern day equivalents to rape. Hence why it was not condoned by the bible.

Finally, in order to justify Christianity as a argument for this law you would need to be able to argue that Christianity is the one true correct religion. I believe in God. Key word believe, not know. I know gravity exists. I know this because I can pick up anything on my desk and drop it. I believe in a higher power, but can not prove it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCLwtWbhEs

[evotuner]

Rice Bobby, Pure Rice

[polishmafia]

I know gravity exists. I know this because I can pick up anything on my desk and drop it. I believe in a higher power, but can not prove it.

Dropping something on your desk proves gravity exists. Correct.

Dropping something on your desk proves gravity exists - because God created gravity. Can you still prove gravity exists, or is it something you can not explain?

I will keep my own thoughts to myself, but I can definitely play Devil's advocate... Oh wait, that is something that doesn't exist. Or does it, since I can play it?

[Trogdor]

Dropping something on your desk proves gravity exists. Correct.

Dropping something on your desk proves gravity exists - because God created gravity. Can you still prove gravity exists, or is it something you can not explain?

I will keep my own thoughts to myself, but I can definitely play Devil's advocate... Oh wait, that is something that doesn't exist. Or does it, since I can play it?

Aaah, but you're making an assumption that I don't necessarily agree with.

You're argument is that in order for gravity to exist, that God must have created it. This assumes that we know for a fact God exists. You would first need to prove the existence of God. In which case you've proven that God exists, the bible is real, a man should not lye with another man, that women should be good servants to their husbands, we shouldn't eat meat on Fridays, thqt some old white guy split an ocean with his hands, and that water can be chemically altered to make fermented grapes.

[Goat Blower]

This is a tired, wasted argument anyways. This law we're voting on does not allow gay marriage in MN, it will still be illegal. It just makes it more difficult for another liberal politician to rewrite our laws as they see fit in the future. I will be voting yes, and anybody that doesn't like it, or thinks I'm some kind of homophobe because of it, can kiss my ass. I get really tired of the name-calling, and it's only ever from the left, that should tell you a lot.