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Kracka
09-28-2010, 02:18 PM
most jobs that get off shored are higher paying jobs.
Really Tom?

Matt D.
09-28-2010, 02:22 PM
First off, have you even read both of those books?
Tom, you never answered my question.

mlomker
09-28-2010, 02:46 PM
Most illegal immigrants don't even have a high school education. You can't really compare that to the available labor force in China, Thailand, or Vietnam.

A lot of conservatives would be fine with immigration if they weren't consuming public services and having their children considered Americans just for being born here. What other 1st-world country allows that? It's utterly insane. If you get sick overseas without any money then the best you could hope for is getting deported.

tpunx99GSX
09-28-2010, 03:11 PM
Really Tom?

Look at what jobs get outsourced to overseas:
IT: Tech support, Web Development, Software Development etc.
Manufactureing: GM Employees get anywhere between 14 and 28 per hour.
Now look at what the immigrants usually take as jobs:
Farms: Field Workers.
Service industry: Janitors, Maids, Cooks, etc.

Now compare these two industries and wages if they were all here in the US. Yeah this is what i mean.

tpunx99GSX
09-28-2010, 03:12 PM
Tom, you never answered my question.

Yes i have read both of those books. Otherwise i would not have recommended them. It was a stupid question, and stupid questions dont deserve answers.

Kracka
09-28-2010, 04:04 PM
Middle america is already dropping off daily to the lower class while the rich get richer. And no one finds this crazy. Yay, why not give more money to the rich by giving them tax cuts. You guys are rediculous.
Please do keep in mind that 7 of the 10 richest congressmen are democrats :)
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/31/top-ten-wealthiest-members-congress#ixzz0yCG8M52I?test=latestnews

Maybe it's time you take your own advice and stop blindly following a faith?

tpunx99GSX
09-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Please do keep in mind that 7 of the 10 richest congressmen are democrats :)
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/31/top-ten-wealthiest-members-congress#ixzz0yCG8M52I?test=latestnews

Maybe it's time you take your own advice and stop blindly following a faith?

And what do all 7 say about the tax cuts for the rich, along with bill gates and many other billionares... They say, WE DONT NEED THOSE TAX CUTS.
Bill gates came out and said it, and the 7 Democrats are among the many looking to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Matt D.
09-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Look at what jobs get outsourced to overseas:
IT: Tech support, Web Development, Software Development etc.
Manufactureing: GM Employees get anywhere between 14 and 28 per hour.
Now look at what the immigrants usually take as jobs:
Farms: Field Workers.
Service industry: Janitors, Maids, Cooks, etc.

Now compare these two industries and wages if they were all here in the US. Yeah this is what i mean.
You claim that illegal immigration and outsourcing go hand in hand, yet are for one but against the other. I don't get it.
Yes i have read both of those books. Otherwise i would not have recommended them. It was a stupid question, and stupid questions dont deserve answers.
All of your politically-fueled references seem quite unreal so it was only fair to ask.

tpunx99GSX
09-28-2010, 04:24 PM
You claim that illegal immigration and outsourcing go hand in hand, yet are for one but against the other. I don't get it.



No i am pointing out the hipocracy that is the view of the Republican party. They are for deporting immegrants (that are doing cheap labor that would otherwise still be minimum wage jobs) but yet are for out sourcing jobs (that are expensive labor that will help americans prosper and become a strong middle class).
I dont see what you are misunderstanding? What im saying is that americans dont want to make minimum wage, and are too proud to take those positions, yet the positions they want that pay well enough to support their families are not available because they have been shipped overseas to india and china.
What the Republicans are essentially saying without coming out and saying it is, "Shoot the jobs that will let americans prosper overseas, and make the talented individuals that would be taking those jobs work in the fields making jack shit."
Did i clearify that for you?

Kracka
09-28-2010, 04:25 PM
And what do all 7 say about the tax cuts for the rich, along with bill gates and many other billionares... They say, WE DONT NEED THOSE TAX CUTS.
Bill gates came out and said it, and the 7 Democrats are among the many looking to let the Bush tax cuts expire.
If they truly hated the idea of themselves being rich they'd just spread the wealth throughout the lower classes.