Remember the Black Panthers blocking polls in Philadelphia?

[Kracka]

It certainly doesn't come off that way and you didn't help your case by moving to one of the most xenophobic places in the USA. Not that that really has anything to do with this at all. You've never seemed to be one who could fathom walking in someone else's shoes for any amount of time. You're very happy in your world. I just think it's too bad that you won't really try to see things from another person's perspective.
Wanna know something funny? My boss is black! Guess what else? I have HUGE respect for him because he's busted his ass and actually made something for himself rather than sit around and bitch about how unfair life is.

Also, you're damn right I'm happy in my world. I actually went out and EARNED what I have and made a life for myself. I don't sit around bitching about how unfair this or that is.

[Matt D.]

It certainly doesn't come off that way and you didn't help your case by moving to one of the most xenophobic places in the USA. Not that that really has anything to do with this at all. You've never seemed to be one who could fathom walking in someone else's shoes for any amount of time. You're very happy in your world. I just think it's too bad that you won't really try to see things from another person's perspective.
I'm starting to believe that you simply lack the character to tell us why we're wrong for what we say, and what we prove on an almost daily basis in this forum, as to what is wrong with this country and our society. The only thing I ever see you use as a debate tactic is more or less saying "you're wrong". No different than Tom has ever done except you use bigger words. Next thing you'll probably tell us that we should be providing constructive criticism rather than being negative all the time. There may very well be light at the end of the tunnel, but I'll be damned if we haven't just entered the darkness.

[FattyBoomBatty]

That's good. I'm not trying to get you to show that you can respect someone no matter what color their skin is, rather I'm trying to get you to understand in a deeper way how you can never know exactly what it's like for what you or I might call a "disadvantaged" person. Sure it's bad to knowingly take advantage of a system (i.e. slacking at work since no one is watching or having a bunch of kids to get more welfare money (and even that is a long term commitment)) but where there is a deliberate or unintended yet unchecked void in that system that could easily be filled by means of better education or opportunity, you can't blame it entirely on the ones who take advantage of that void. And although it may indeed be deliberate (such as a lack of supervision or instruction or what have you) it may be hard to perceive and therefore hard to overcome.

So, when you say, "These niggers need to get over themselves and realize THEY are they ones causing problems in their lives, not us whities. THEY are the reason racism still exists." I think you are not seeing the whole picture. And it is most definately not as black and white, so to speak, as you are making it seem. There are many many facets to situations like that. Also, I understand that there are actually black people who believe crazy stuff like that, but that's just people. There are insane white people too. Every color of human has some group that just hates others without understanding them. I want people on this website to be a little more advanced than that.

Do you get why I said my piece now?

[Kracka]

This thread was started because of the radical blacks aka Black Panthers. You also must remember there is a huge difference between a nigger and a black person. You are the one dragging this thread violently off-topic with your liberal rhetoric and automatically assuming the worst of us.

[FattyBoomBatty]

I'm starting to believe that you simply lack the character to tell us why we're wrong for what we say, and what we prove on an almost daily basis in this forum, as to what is wrong with this country and our society. The only thing I ever see you use as a debate tactic is more or less saying "you're wrong". No different than Tom has ever done except you use bigger words. Next thing you'll probably tell us that we should be providing constructive criticism rather than being negative all the time. There may very well be light at the end of the tunnel, but I'll be damned if we haven't just entered the darkness.

Read my last post that I specifically targeted at Chris, but please don't dilute it down to me just saying you guys are wrong and I'm right. I really do know that I can't just up and change people with words. Actions are even worse at trying to convince people. But the thing is, you don't have to provide any criticizm, constructive or otherwise. But this is America, and you can say whatever you want. It just REALLY helps when you listen and mull over the things other people are saying too.

By the way, would you like it more if I used stupid small words like fuck and bitch?

[FattyBoomBatty]

This thread was started because of the radical blacks aka Black Panthers. You also must remember there is a huge difference between a nigger and a black person.

I think you should go into the hood and explain that one to a group of young black men. Tell me the result when you get back.

Are you serious? I'm saying, essentially, that when you say niggers, you are putting up a wall that not only prevents anyone who's different than you to get in, but it has no windows and doesn't allow you to look out. If you truely understood what I said in my posts above, you probably wouldn't use the word.

Oh, and I quoted you before you edited the post to include the liberal slam. I never said anything about your political viewpoints. I'm talking about your socio-economic worldview.

[Kracka]

By the way, would you like it more if I used stupid small words like fuck and bitch?
Speak how you will, but it's not going to change the minds of us who have our eyes open to life.

You never answered my question though: Have you entered the adult working world yet? Have you experienced first-hand the injustice against the black man in working America? Every company I've been with since college has employed multiple minorities and not a single one of them felt they were entitled to a certain job; they worked just like the rest of us to get to where they are.

[Kracka]

I think you should go into the hood and explain that one to a group of young black men. Tell me the result when you get back.
Here is the difference: I am educated (another choice I made) and use words to voice my opinion. They on the other hand will more than likely use violence against me and I won't make it back. Does that make me wrong?

[FattyBoomBatty]

I have both. How about you? You're obviously very oblivious to the world around you. This whole "overqualified and perfect fit for a job" stuff is complete BS. Have you even entered the adult working world yet? If anything, being black gives you an advantage since there are so many "black-only" college scholarships available. Don't forget about the stores/companies that advertise they are black owned and operated. How about government jobs where they have to hire at least a certain number of minorities even if they aren't as well qualified as a white male?

The "overqualified and perfect fit" thing was an example for goodhart in response to his comment. Did you actually understand my post? Seems not.

Speak how you will, but it's not going to change the minds of us who have our eyes open to life.

You never answered my question though: Have you entered the adult working world yet? Have you experienced first-hand the injustice against the black man in working America? Every company I've been with since college has employed multiple minorities and not a single one of them felt they were entitled to a certain job; they worked just like the rest of us to get to where they are.

I didn't answer your question because I was responding to your original post, not the part you added when you edited it. I wasn't looking back for edits, just moving foward, waiting to see where the thread would go. And as a matter of fact, I have entered the so-called adult workforce you speak of. I'm an employee at a blue collar company and I move furniture and other stuff that people own. I can't really tell for sure, but it almost seems like you are trying to play some kind of holier-than-thou card with the comments about the adult working world. As if I were a child. I'm the same age as you and I don't hate you because you have a higher paying job than me. You can drop that bit.

Here is the difference: I am educated (another choice I made) and use words to voice my opinion. They on the other hand will more than likely use violence against me and I won't make it back. Does that make me wrong?

One doesn't need an education to know how they feel about their situation. You use the word nigger too freely and with no consideration of the consequences. You might not know this, but this site is not just a bunch of white people who don't mind the slur. Your words may never come back to bite you, that's true, but you may also never know if they do any damage to others.

As for taking the thread in a slightly different direction, it is a related and relevant direction.

[goodhart]

beyond that you might notice that you won't be one quite the same playing field as one of them. You may be overqualified for a job and the perfect fit, but you'll be looked over or given a lesser position or pay simply because you're different. You could be fluent in the language and it wouldn't matter. You're an outsider.


Hmm, sounds to me like Affirmative Action....


That's good. I'm not trying to get you to show that you can respect someone no matter what color their skin is, rather I'm trying to get you to understand in a deeper way how you can never know exactly what it's like for what you or I might call a "disadvantaged" person.

How exactly are people of "other" colors so disadvantaged? I don't see any White only colleges, or White college funds, or a minimum number of whites required to be hired at a place of work.



Sure it's bad to knowingly take advantage of a system (i.e. slacking at work since no one is watching or having a bunch of kids to get more welfare money (and even that is a long term commitment)) but where there is a deliberate or unintended yet unchecked void in that system that could easily be filled by means of better education or opportunity, you can't blame it entirely on the ones who take advantage of that void. And although it may indeed be deliberate (such as a lack of supervision or instruction or what have you) it may be hard to perceive and therefore hard to overcome.

How are "they" getting a sub-par education in the first place? Every race has the same opportunity for at least a High School education, not to mention all the college funds/tuition payment & re-payment programs/scholarships that people of color have. Did you know that in MN, You can get $1000 per semester just for being at least 50% black? And it is paid for by the state actually. I know this because my *gasp!!* black friend used it when she was going to college.