1650cc injector and pump/e85 question

[sleepydsm]

Thats what I did once I converted over. Save the gas for a lawn mower or something haha.

My stock civic! vroooooooooooooooooooooooom bitch, PREMIUM!

[jrohner]

You think you can make 1000hp with 4 1600's and e85? haha

I personally don't think 1600s are too crazy with e85. Looking at past logs I have been in the very high 70's to low 80's% with injector duty cycle flowing around the 60lb/min'ish with my turbo. I think my car idles pretty damn good on e85 and I like the fact if I ever upgraded a little bit my injectors could handle it. Hell if I wanted something that was idled perfectly, was good on gas mileage, comfy, easy to drive I'd just go get a nice buick.

Maybe not, but definitely 900allwheel-dynojet-hp / over 1000bhp, comparing my injectors to the 1650's using an injector calculator from RC. I'm flowing almost 40lbs/min of airflow and running 750cc injectors putting down 414hp/459torque with my 16G. Those 1600's are more that double the injector I'm running. I know my injectors aren't ever maxed; even in the snowy freezing winter I have enough injector to richen my tune up considerably from what I actually run (yes I've tried it just to see). How rich are you wanting to run anyways? Maybe all the fuel isn't getting up to your injectors?

[Archertsi]

Ok, sounds like a plan. I've got over half a tank of premium, should i just drain the shit, and bring some e85 over once the car is in running condition?


Yes, drain it, DO NOT mix it with 91. I didnt drain it, and the trims fluctuated for a few tanks and I think it was because pump/110 was still mixed in there. I could smell the 110 for a long time. So, yes, drain it so it is pure.

Also, remember there is E70 and E85 depending on the time of year, if you dont already know. Each will require some changes in your tune so pay attention each time you fill up.

[blackrosenova400]

No way 1600's would be good enough for 900 wheel hp. I was at 68% duty cycle with 1350's at 38 base fuel pressure, making 380 on Map's dyno (e85). Maybe if you ramped up fuel pressure but I would still highly doubt it.

[Halon]

I installed my 1600's when I was on 91. Dialed them in best I could. Ran the car until she was damn near running on fumes, then filled it to the top with E85. Re-dialed it in and it ran way better on E85.

[jrohner]

No way 1600's would be good enough for 900 wheel hp. I was at 68% duty cycle with 1350's at 38 base fuel pressure, making 380 on Map's dyno (e85). Maybe if you ramped up fuel pressure but I would still highly doubt it.

My cousin is at 321hp with 680's on E85; look where I'm at with 750s. There's also a guy on tuners with like 440 with 750's. Your 1350's at 38psi are actually like 1260's. Also, there's a big difference between 68% (856cc) and 80%(1008cc) duty cycle, but how much fuel you are using depends on your tune not just your hp (and if the fuel is actually getting to the injectors). Most people I've seen on tuners seem to run E85 really rich - like 11:1 gas afr, which is actually 7.3:1. I can hear my car misfiring if I go even close to that crazy rich and I know I loose power as I go richer (even before misfiring). How I drive, if my tune wasn't safe my engine would be gone -- I could never be as hard on my engine on a drag strip as I am on the road.

I pretty much consider the duty cycle a theoretical number; some people have claimed at times to see higher than 100% duty cycle with no issues-- is that actually possible - NO.

[Swifty1638]

again, i gotta say it.but you will max out your pump before you max out 1600's. pump setups man, pump setups.

I'm getting my old 1600's from andrew back, and will run them, but i got dual 310lph pumps..

-A. Swift

[Kracka]

I pretty much consider the duty cycle a theoretical number; some people have claimed at times to see higher than 100% duty cycle with no issues-- is that actually possible - NO.
Yup; IDC definitely isn't exact with the stock ECU's. I saw a max of 119.5% with my stock injectors and Scheides saw almost 130%.

[jrohner]

Yup; IDC definitely isn't exact with the stock ECU's. I saw a max of 119.5% with my stock injectors and Scheides saw almost 130%.

Anyone know why, is there just something wrong with the formula used to calculate it? I would never go by IDC alone, I say richen it up some and if your AFR's still match up you're good.

[Kracka]

Anyone know why, is there just something wrong with the formula used to calculate it?
I'm guessing that must be it; or maybe 100% IDC as logged by the ECU is what they feel the ideal maximum to be? It seems like anywhere above ~115% and fueling issues begin to occur.