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Halon
03-01-2008, 10:56 AM
I was going to write the whole lawsuit thing in my own words, but found it easier to just copy and paste this directly from the AMSOIL site.

Several years ago Mobil accused Castrol Syntec of reformulating its synthetic by substituting other basestocks in place of its synthetic polyaphaolefins (PAO's) using hydroprocessing oil. Castrol has replaced the PAO synthetic base stock with hydroisomerized petroleum base stock. Hydrocracking, as it's called, is the highest level of petroleum refining. Castrol Syntec is not a Group 4 synthetic (such as AMSOIL is) yet Castrol ended up winning the battle when the National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus ruled that Castrol could still market its oil as "synthetic" despite their new formulation. Basically, they expanded the definition of synthetics to include Group 3 hydroprocessed petroleum oil. This high profile case took place because synthetics are recognized as the market's best hope for growth. Synthetic oil sales have outpaced petroleum oil sales by a wide margin and the gap continues to widen every year. Consumers are getting smarter and demand the best for their vehicles. Read the full story on the Castrol issue in our informative articles section. Additionally, just as soon as Castrol won this battle, several other oil companies came up with hydroprocessed motor oils of their own and labeled these products to be "100% synthetic", when they still are Group 3 hydroprocessed petroleum oils and not full PAO Group 4 synthetics.

So in a nutshell, Mobil was pissed because they were using a Group 4 synthetic base in their synthetic line, while Castrol was simply using a Group 3 highly refined petroleum base oil in their synthetic line. Castrol won, so now a lot of the off the shelf synthetics you'll find at the store are now using Group 3 base oils as well.

TheBlizzard
03-01-2008, 11:10 AM
I switched over to Amsoil; I use it for my cars, snowmobiles, 4 wheeler, snowblower, ect. Their 2 cycle injector oil is some good shit; it never fouls a plug or even blows smoke for that matter. Using they synthetic in my car I could definetly tell the difference on longevity and gas mileage. Hughes you have probably heard of this stuff, since the company is located in Superior Wisconsin. Its not cheap but who cares.

v8klla
03-01-2008, 11:37 AM
Castrol Syntec is not a Group 4 synthetic (such as AMSOIL is)

Is there such a thing as a group 5 synthetic? If so I believe that is the classification of this Eneos oil...

Chris

Halon
03-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Yest there is. It pretty much just means it also uses a synthetic base oil other that PAO's which are what Group 4's are. I honestly do not know the advantages or disadvantages between the 2.

Here this is also taken directly from Amsoil's site.
Group IV are polyalphaolefins (PAO) which are chemically engineered
synthesized base stocks. PAOs offer excellent stability and molecular
uniformity and hence improve performance. Products labeled as "100%
Synthetic" use only Group IV base stocks and therefore are free of
petroleum oil and the impurities they contain. AMSOIL uses only Group IV
base stocks and is thus a 100% Synthetic motor oil.

Group V base oils, with few exceptions, are also chemically engineered stocks
that do not fall into any of the categories previously mentioned. Typical
examples of group V stocks are Esters, polyglycols and silicone. As with group
IV stocks, group V tend to offer performance advantages over groups I - III.
An example of a mineral based group V exception would be a white oil.

Shane@DBPerformance
03-01-2008, 12:28 PM
$.99 non-syn FTW!

v8klla
03-01-2008, 12:30 PM
and a Napa Gold oil filter right ;)

blageo23
03-01-2008, 12:33 PM
and a Napa Gold oil filter right ;)

No way, Fram oil filter FTW :)

Goat Blower
03-01-2008, 01:24 PM
Hughes you have probably heard of this stuff, since the company is located in Superior Wisconsin. Its not cheap but who cares.

My wife or ex-wife, can't remember, was friends in high school with the owner's kids. I think their name is Amatuzzio or something like that.

JET
03-01-2008, 03:11 PM
I tried the Amsoil tranny fluid in my DSM and it is pure shit. I actually changed it again 2 days later. I have run amsoil oil before and it seemed fine, but so does anything. I changed the t-case and rear end from amsoil to Redline and it was a little quieter.

Kracka
03-01-2008, 06:08 PM
My tranny got some Redline fluid today; I've loved that stuff in all the cars I've owned.