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[remy]

Who would expect that the United States would ever permit an independent Iraqi government to exist? Especially now that Washington has reserved the right to set up permanent military bases there, in the heart of the world's greatest oil-producing region, and has imposed an economic regime that no sovereign country would accept, putting the country's fate in the hands of Western corporations.
--Noam Chomsky

[npaulseth]

The fact that Bush didn't wait for the UN to help shows that he does not value peoples lives as much as a normal person should. And, if we couldn't convince the UN to go in with us, we maybe should have taken a step back, calmed down, and realize maybe these people have a point and that we're not so almighty.

[remy]

Originally posted by remy@Feb 18 2004, 11:45 PM
Uzbekistan (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm)


There are over 6,000 political and religious prisoners in Uzbekistan. That are tortured and killed. The U.S. gave Uzbekistan $500million last year. In Venezuela, U.S. officials were quick to proclaim support for an abortive coup attempt that temporarily displaced the elected president, Hugo Chavez. Why is the U.S. not taking action against regimes in not-so-oil-rich countries such as Zimbabwe? In Zimbabwe, President Mugabe was “reelected” in a highly controversial and corrupt election in 2002. Since then, Mugabe has implemented an oppressive administration that includes seizure of white-owned farms and alleged torture of opposition groups. Nevertheless, his severe crimes do not seem to motivate the U.S. to liberate Zimbabwe’s citizens. Another example of American inaction is in Saudi Arabia; we continue to ally ourselves with the harsh government because it maintains our oil interests in the Arabian Peninsula.

[npaulseth]

Don't ever fall under the impression that the US is better than every other country from a moral standpoint. We are trying to make money. We want to profit. Don't think that everything we do is for the benifit of the world, cause it isn't. We have flaws just like every other single country.

[LightningGSX]

Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions, zimbabwe and uzbekistan are not, and I doubt they possess WMD capabilites.I also fail to see how either of those can compare to the million+ people that were murdered under Saddam.And how exactly would waiting for UN backing of helped us anyway? The UN isn't a magical fighting force, they are a passive non-action taking waste of the worlds time and money.And the whole oil thing? the biggest bunch of BS I've heard yet, Its not like we can just invade a country and steal their oil, the citizens get paid for it.It also isn't likely that Iraqy oil will make it to the US anyway, so WTF?

[A//// Guy]

Lightning hit my point also... Those other countries are not an immediate threat to the world or the US.

And yea the UN is a joke. They will just sit down and talk about it for 5 years and nothing will get done. Meanwhile saddam gives money to his terroristic friends and has a ball. Saddam never liked the US so why wouldnt he have terroristic friends. Especially when hes a terrorist.

As for the US being morally better than everyone else? Im not saying that. WE are just the strongest and most powerful country there is, therefore we need to keep other countries in check, if they dont comply then we take action... Thats how it should be.

If we go back to democtratic ways this next presidential year there may be a debt solution but thats only becuase they will be saving it becuase they wont be doing anything to protect you or me from terrorists. Instead they will give it to all the drug dealers and crackhoes that want welfare, and say that we are helping the economy. BS

[remy]

No your right the UN isn't a "magcal fighting force" but what it does represent is a united international organization. So if we would have had their backing it would have been an international effort instead of a US, Britian effort. If we really thought Saddam was such an evil guy back in the late eighties and early ninties we shoulnd' have been supporting him. And should have dealt with him back then when he was a threat. Oh by the way Iraq doesn't have WMD's either. That was just an excuse put together to justify Bush's actions. Sorry if one life isn't as valuable as hundreds or even millions. But if we are going to go around policing people we should take care of everybody at fault.

[remy]

Originally posted by EclipseTurbo@Feb 20 2004, 02:11 PM
Lightning hit my point also... Those other countries are not an immediate threat to the world or the US. 

And yea the UN is a joke.  They will just sit down and talk about it for 5 years and nothing will get done.  Meanwhile saddam gives money to his terroristic friends and has a ball.  Saddam never liked the US so why wouldnt he have terroristic friends.  Especially when hes a terrorist.

As for the US being morally better than everyone else?  Im not saying that.  WE are just the strongest and most powerful country there is, therefore we need to keep other countries in check, if they dont comply then we take action... Thats how it should be. 

If we go back to democtratic ways this next presidential year there may be a debt solution but thats only becuase they will be saving it becuase they wont be doing anything to protect you or me from terrorists.  Instead they will give it to all the drug dealers and crackhoes that want welfare, and say that we are helping the economy.  BS
What in the Fuck are you smoking, that must be some good shit, cause you are fucking delusional. Those other countries are as an immediate threat as Iraq was. And the US taking care of everyone that doesn't comply thats really a great way of thinking, truely democratic. And fuck, Saddam is eveil yes. But not one shred of proof has linked him to terrorism, your pulling that shit out of your ass.

[A//// Guy]

Oh it will be proven. In time my democratic friend, in time. You should really read the whle post and then type One message. Seems like you have a problem with that. ha

How are those other countries an immedaite threat? Do they have the potential to have WMD. Maybe but they dont deny the UN as of yet to check things out.

By the way Iraq does have/had WMD we just havent found them yet becuase they are burried in there desserts or they are hiding in neighboring countries.

Im done. This has been alot of kicks and giggles for me but its just getting old talking about the same old crap. Plus Im leaving to go snowmobiling. Chica bow wow.

Good luck Lightning if your going to kep up the fight :cheers:

[remy]

Ya this is getting kind of lame, talking in circles. But if you want to keep posting crap I'll keep fighting it.