niterydr
09-18-2006, 11:53 AM
Okay, first let me say that I do believe spearco makes the best core's as far as intercoolers go. They ARE proven on many racecars.
Now I am going to attempt to stir the pot a little bit.
Does anyone here have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a spearco core significantly reduces intake temps more than a similar sized "ebay" intercooler. Beyond that, do you have proof that in the real world it is actually making a difference? Like drop in ET's, higher MPH, significantly less detonation, you get the picture.
From what I have seen, some of the "ebay" core's look IDENTICAL to a evotion intercooler core, down to spacing on the fins and sizes of the tubes.
And, if we want to go even farther then that. Lets say a ebay core makes 500whp on a car, and with a nice spearco core it makes 520whp, is it really worth the extra 300plus dollars for the spearco?
I have seen vehicles with ebay cores and vehicles with very similar setups with better intercooler setups consistantly out perform on the dyno, and the track. Spearco is just one of the decent/good manafactures for intercooler cores that I know of.
By all means people can build on a budget, but saying shit like "Just as good" is what ticks me off. The problem with a few automotive communities is the tendancy to "just make it work". Then those people are constantly bitching about how their cars break, blow up, and do not perform up to par.
Wanna know why boys and girls? Cause your fucking cheap.
Building on a budget is one thing, but skimping and cutting corners to be different or because you think its "good enough" is a dangerous game. Trust me, I've been there, hell I am still very much there, I have just learned that this game takes time and patience, some things very few people actually have. To build a car, and to build it right and reliably takes money, time, commitment, and know-how.
Now, maybe this intercooler works just fine for his setup, maybe its actually hurting performance because it slows down the air as much as a 90 degree bend does in a intercooler pipe, therefore not cooling shit.
Finally, of course his car would feel faster. Do you think the human brand would allow someone to spend all that time on modding a car and have it be slower?
Hell I bet I could pull someone on the dyno, do a baseline pull, add a correction and say they made 20 more hp, and the car would FEEL faster.
This is a tech thread, not an opinion thread. I honestly don't care if people "think" that the ebay intercooler cores are good. I've seen them, they "work" but I have seen them get the shit kicked out of them in REAL WORLD situations by good intercoolers. I have seen ebay turbo's destroyed by good turbo's, intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, etc...if its a "cheap and effective" replacement part, I have seen it destroyed by the real thing in the "REAL WORLD".
Parts can be remade cheaper by changing process, and by all means I am not saying do not try new things...but if its 1/4 the cost, something is probably up.
WTF would I know, I have just been doing "this" 24/7 for the past 7-8 years now.
Now I am going to attempt to stir the pot a little bit.
Does anyone here have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a spearco core significantly reduces intake temps more than a similar sized "ebay" intercooler. Beyond that, do you have proof that in the real world it is actually making a difference? Like drop in ET's, higher MPH, significantly less detonation, you get the picture.
From what I have seen, some of the "ebay" core's look IDENTICAL to a evotion intercooler core, down to spacing on the fins and sizes of the tubes.
And, if we want to go even farther then that. Lets say a ebay core makes 500whp on a car, and with a nice spearco core it makes 520whp, is it really worth the extra 300plus dollars for the spearco?
I have seen vehicles with ebay cores and vehicles with very similar setups with better intercooler setups consistantly out perform on the dyno, and the track. Spearco is just one of the decent/good manafactures for intercooler cores that I know of.
By all means people can build on a budget, but saying shit like "Just as good" is what ticks me off. The problem with a few automotive communities is the tendancy to "just make it work". Then those people are constantly bitching about how their cars break, blow up, and do not perform up to par.
Wanna know why boys and girls? Cause your fucking cheap.
Building on a budget is one thing, but skimping and cutting corners to be different or because you think its "good enough" is a dangerous game. Trust me, I've been there, hell I am still very much there, I have just learned that this game takes time and patience, some things very few people actually have. To build a car, and to build it right and reliably takes money, time, commitment, and know-how.
Now, maybe this intercooler works just fine for his setup, maybe its actually hurting performance because it slows down the air as much as a 90 degree bend does in a intercooler pipe, therefore not cooling shit.
Finally, of course his car would feel faster. Do you think the human brand would allow someone to spend all that time on modding a car and have it be slower?
Hell I bet I could pull someone on the dyno, do a baseline pull, add a correction and say they made 20 more hp, and the car would FEEL faster.
This is a tech thread, not an opinion thread. I honestly don't care if people "think" that the ebay intercooler cores are good. I've seen them, they "work" but I have seen them get the shit kicked out of them in REAL WORLD situations by good intercoolers. I have seen ebay turbo's destroyed by good turbo's, intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, etc...if its a "cheap and effective" replacement part, I have seen it destroyed by the real thing in the "REAL WORLD".
Parts can be remade cheaper by changing process, and by all means I am not saying do not try new things...but if its 1/4 the cost, something is probably up.
WTF would I know, I have just been doing "this" 24/7 for the past 7-8 years now.