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[niterydr]

That could be fun :).

[scheides]

That could be fun :).

Well, we could make it really interresting by having one team tune it on their dyno, keep all equal and drive over to the other dyno, see if the numbers are comparable, and then reset everything, and let that team see if they can get similar numbers (keeping the two tunes secret from the other).

I will volunteer my car for this challenge if everyone is up for it. I have a PLX wideband unit installed already, but I only have an S-AFC right now. I have DSMlink on the mind, and have an ecu socketed and ready to go. So if we were to do this, I'd skip the S-AFC bullshit and see some real tuning action on dsmlink.

Would the various organizations be possibly willing to donate dyno and tuner time? Otherwise I'll throw down for the whole event if everyone is willing. We'll document the whole event with video for those that can't attend, and I'll host the finished product.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Great choice on hiring Shane, he is a very well respected tuner thru-out the import and Minnesota scene in general.

I am co-owner of the shop now.

I think he is referring to the people tuning them more so than the machine they are on. In my opinion given that they are the same machine basically, I will wager the difference will be whomever can tune cars better will have the better numbers.

I usually don't try to push cars to the absolute edge though. I would rather give up 5 or 10 whp instead of having the car blow up when a little bad gas gets in the tank or some other variable changes. Things aren't too bad to control on a DSM though, it isn't like most turbos Hondas that have no usable knock sensor to try to save the motor if something goes wrong down the road. A lot of the turbos cars I deal will have at least 1 cylinder go into detonation before MBT is reached, so you can't rely on there being any sort of window between max torque and detonation onset, like you can with an NA car.

[niterydr]

I am co-owner of the shop now.

Awesome news!


I usually don't try to push cars to the absolute edge though. I would rather give up 5 or 10 whp instead of having the car blow up when a little bad gas gets in the tank or some other variable changes. Things aren't too bad to control on a DSM though, it isn't like most turbos Hondas that have no usable knock sensor to try to save the motor if something goes wrong down the road. A lot of the turbos cars I deal will have at least 1 cylinder go into detonation before MBT is reached, so you can't rely on there being any sort of window between max torque and detonation onset, like you can with an NA car.
I agree, its not worth pushing a car to the absolute limit unless its in a very controlled environment with support (aka track car).

[Goat Blower]

Good, now I don't have to keep a secret anymore. Having too many speed shops around is like having too many hookers wanting to ride you tough. (Slightly modified from my favorite quote on NABR.) Congrats boys.

[Outlaw1]

I have a dumb question.

Why do you work on DSM's? Why wouldn't you work on all kinds of performance cars? Isn't there a large base of GM and Ford guys around?

Just askin'.
It's usually better to do one thing and do it well, then to be a jack of all trades and master of none. For me that means putting most of my effort into EFI tuning(I don't care import or domestic) and not trying to be a master engine builder, chassis/roll cage fabricator, etc. I build my own motors and some customer motors, but I never tried to push it on people and would give them other options with other shops.

There are already quite a few, well established Chevy and Ford performance shops in the area.
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[Shane@DBPerformance]

That is why we haven't done anything about the GM/Chevy tuning stuff. There are already a few good shops in town that do that. We also don't tune carburetors, we are EFI computer guys. We do and will work on Fords because DB Performance is already one of the well established Ford performance shops in town. We had a basic install that we did in an issue of Modified Mustangs a month ago. Dan worked at a Ford dealership before DB Performance turned into his fulltime job a few years ago. We have around $12,000 in just ECU tuning tools and hardware for Ford vehicles. I am adding my import tuning knowledge into the business and will continue to put a lot of my effort into EFI tuning. We have around $10,000 in tuning software and hardware for DSMs, Hondas, Subarus, and Evos. I will also continue to help people pick out the right parts like turbos, tuning systems, intercoolers, injectors, etc to hit their realistic goals. I won't be welding, Dan can do that. I won't be porting Honda heads, DPR can do that. If we want a nice fabbed Honda or DSM exhaust manifold, we will just talk to SLS.

[tim]

Congrats fellas. Seems to be the best of both worlds.

[tpunx99GSX]

I just find it crazy that especially in MN where the stangs and DSMs always had a huge rivalry that here is this new shop that specialises in both of them. LOL this could get pretty crazy, or could make a nice peaceful relationship between the car owners. LOL

[Goat Blower]

Going fast is going fast. Who gives a shit what platform it's done in.