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**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

**Murlo26** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

Different yes, but they can be directly related for sure.

TRUE E85 is awesome, I agree its the crap that gets mixed in that is the problem. But if you buy real E85, or even C85 (c16/e85 mix) then you have some baller ass stuff.

Obviously many many people run it, especially in evos and for the amount of people that use it there are not a ton of failures, especially considering how hard people push it.

Also, I would imagine texas has a lot more consistent e85 than us MN'ers.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

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**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Different yes, but they can be directly related for sure.

TRUE E85 is awesome, I agree its the crap that gets mixed in that is the problem. But if you buy real E85, or even C85 (c16/e85 mix) then you have some baller ass stuff.

Obviously many many people run it, especially in evos and for the amount of people that use it there are not a ton of failures, especially considering how hard people push it.

Also, I would imagine texas has a lot more consistent e85 than us MN'ers.

C85, E98, or E85 from VP Fuels, for example, is an entirely different animal than pumping it from the corner station. Those have controls and consistent quality, the corner station's E85 does not. I can assure you the ethanol that VP uses is of the utmost quality though, and the denaturant is exactly what you want and where you want it (natural gasoline from Conway, KS blended in at 2.2-2.4%)

E85 down here is a double-edged sword, on one hand we have more consistent ethanol blend percentage, but on the other hand the blendstock seems to be worse quality overall. It's this blendstock that causes injectors to get sludgy, and with unknown blendstock, it is very important to run a tank of quality premium gasoline through the system every few weeks.

93gtpeater · 03-27-2013

You could always buy a 55 gallon drum and blend your own e85

**Murlo26** · 03-27-2013

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You could always buy a 55 gallon drum and blend your own e85

To me that takes out the "convenience" of e85 though which is a huge reason I run it.

If I had to do that I would probably opt for a different form of race gas, be it buying e85/c85/e98 by the barrel or c16/ms109 or vp import or something.

once you graduate to the whole barrel for fueling then it becomes a whole new game in my mind. And also at that point, I'd rather have something that didn't require a HUGE fuel system, so I'd opt for race fuel over e85 variants.

**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

How? Buy a drum of E98? At that point, just run the E98.

**Murlo26** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Kracka

How? Buy a drum of E98? At that point, just run the E98.

Is this toward me? I think I was basically saying this lol.

93gtpeater · 03-27-2013

I say stick to pump gas. E85 is great if you can get real e85 all the time. But with how much money you guys got into your cars I say stick with pump gas.

evotuner · 03-27-2013

I love E85 havent had one problem...yet lol. Ron does all my tuning, cant go wrong their. I have a Zeitronix ECA for easy monitoring and evoscan for logging some WOT pulls.

**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Is this toward me? I think I was basically saying this lol.

Nope, post above yours.

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Originally Posted by evotuner

I love E85 havent had one problem...yet lol. Ron does all my tuning, cant go wrong their. I have a Zeitronix ECA for easy monitoring and evoscan for logging some WOT pulls.

That's what everyone says until they plug an injector and window the block. Play it safe and run a tank of gas through the system every month. I sell the shit for a living, I'm not making this up.

**cmspaz** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Kracka

That's what everyone says until they plug an injector and window the block. Play it safe and run a tank of gas through the system every month. I sell the shit for a living, I'm not making this up.

And if not a tank of pump, at the very least an E85 specific cleaner of some sort. Both Lucas and Gumout sell products designed to clean E85 fuel systems.

When my injectors come out this spring we'll see how well the Lucas offering has been doing.

**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

^Excellent point. Other fuel additives such as Chevon Techron are also supposed to be compatible with ethanol. The problem is there are just no standards or requirements for E85 like there is pump gasoline.

**Tachyon** · 03-27-2013

Hmm, I've gone about 8000 miles on E-fuel since looking at my injectors. Now I am super curious to know what they look like. I'll find out when I swap the heads in a week.

evotuner · 03-27-2013

I've asked Ron these same questions about the injectors gumming up and he said hes never seen one do that.

**Murlo26** · 03-27-2013

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Hmm, I've gone about 8000 miles on E-fuel since looking at my injectors. Now I am super curious to know what they look like. I'll find out when I swap the heads in a week.

I put 10k miles on my dw1300's, they looked perfect when I pulled them.

I guess all of those miles weren't e85, all but maybe 1000 or 1500 were though.

**Kracka** · 03-27-2013

It all depends on your E85source. The E85 down here is notorious for it; seems hit or miss up there.

**goodhart** · 03-27-2013

Some local's hit with gunk as long as 4-5 years ago now.

http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthr...ck+gunk&page=4

**cmspaz** · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by evotuner

I've asked Ron these same questions about the injectors gumming up and he said hes never seen one do that.

Could be a higher quality of local fuel? Somehow I doubt that though. I've seen so many images of the gunk that it's just easier for me to be safe than sorry. It's not a myth, that's for damn sure.

evotuner · 03-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Kracka

It all depends on your E85source. The E85 down here is notorious for it; seems hit or miss up there.

Yeah i suppose, maybe later this spring when a few more EF2.5's get tuned and tweaked I'll get a 91 map as well.