MitsuStyle MitsuStyle

Go Back   MitsuStyle > Tech > The Good Stuff > The Style Report

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-08-2010   #1
Matt D.
Shit Rocket Pilot
 
Matt D.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
Send a message via ICQ to Matt D. Send a message via AIM to Matt D. Send a message via MSN to Matt D. Send a message via Yahoo to Matt D.
Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

When I bought my car a few years ago I immediately started autocrossing it. I figured in order to get it to handle the best I needed coilovers. I mean, who doesn't want coilovers, right? Not everyone can afford a $2000+ set of KWs and the like (I was eyeing Zzyzx at the time) so I opted to go cheap and picked up a set of Ksports from MAP. They seemed great at first, the car handled even better than it did in stock form, it really did feel like a gokart. Then I realized that if I softened the dampening knob away from full firm the car became very bouncy on the road as if they were blown, so I had to leave it at full firm constantly. Before too long the car started making all sort of noises in the front suspension, especially creaking when going over bumps. In the end the rough Minnesota roads took their toll on them and the front two were blown. Overall it seemed like a great investment at first for autocrossing, but the fact that the ride quality is so horrible on the street and there is little dampening adjustment in the mid range of the stroke (look at the shock dyno graphs) the whole idea of cheap coilovers was obviously a ridiculous one.

Since it was time to fix the suspension I chose to try out aftermarket springs on my stock struts. I was torn between the Swift Spec-R and GTWorx springs, but ended up getting the Swifts because I could get them locally, thanks again to MAP.

Once the Swift springs were installed I immediately realized that I no longer hated to drive my car on the street. They solved everything that annoyed me about driving on these terrible roads, and I was no longer embarrassed to have people in my car. The ride is firm, but comfortable. The suspension doesn't make stupid noises that it shouldn't. And so far from what I can tell is that the car doesn't handle any worse than the Ksports ever did. Mind you I haven't done anything more than rip around a few clover leafs on snow tires, but it feels just the same as the Ksports did. Though one thing I noticed is when going around curves at highway speeds if there are bumps that would normally upset the car with the Ksports, the Swifts just soaked up the bumps and the car stayed planted and didn't get nervous.

That being said, I am a firm believer that people should stay away from cheap coilovers. Save yourself some money and headaches and just buy a nice set of aftermarket springs. Cheap coilovers are nothing but trouble, but if you don't believe me you can search the internet about Ksports, Megans or what have you and find out yourself how terrible they are. Now, could things be different if I lived somewhere with nicer roads? Maybe, but that wouldn't change how cheap the coilovers are or how poorly they perform, the performance between the two is negligible. Just trying to do my part in helping people modify their cars properly and save themselves some trouble down the road.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti


03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon View Post
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
Matt D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #2
LingLing
AznKraut
 
LingLing's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Stillwater
Drives: '04 STi, '98 Legacy GT
Posts: 1,374
Send a message via AIM to LingLing Send a message via MSN to LingLing
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

I was thinking about getting a set of those KSport coilovers, but I'll look at my other options. Great info though, thanks for the write up!
__________________
A//// Guy: putting a dsm on a website as your fleet vehicle is like asking people to shop elsewhere
LingLing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #3
A//// Guy
 
A//// Guy's Avatar
 
Bloody Seal Bounce Champion!
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: South Burbs
Drives: Slowly
Posts: 9,862
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Good info Matt! I probably would never go with coilovers on a daily driver regardless. Just too rough and in the winter, corrosion can be a big issue too.
A//// Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #4
Kracka
R U DTF bro?
 
Kracka's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Watertown, SD
Drives: GheyRay
Posts: 20,499
Send a message via AIM to Kracka
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Agreed on all counts. Coilovers aren't designed to stand up to road sand and salt (especially the pillow-ball mounts) and generally are shot within 1-2 yrs. For a street car there is just no reason for anything but a quality set of springs on good shocks/struts.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murlo26 View Post
I agree with Kracka.
Kracka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #5
v8klla
 
v8klla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
Posts: 2,120
Send a message via ICQ to v8klla Send a message via AIM to v8klla
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

If only there was a good aftermarket Evo strut that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!
__________________
Chris Carey, President
Modern Automotive Performance
P: 763-545-3800
E: chris@maperformance.com

We want your business! Please contact me directly for a quote or stop by the facility for a quick tour!
v8klla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #6
awd-drifter
'2of9'
 
awd-drifter's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Inver Grove Heights
Drives: Racer Van V6
Posts: 2,125
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

agreed. I haven't looked at getting the K-Sports for the galant because of the reviews I've read on the galant forums. For us, it's just the Evo GSR/MR struts with the evo lowering springs and we have a pretty solid ride. I'm guessing you could partially blame crappy minnesota roads also.
__________________
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
awd-drifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #7
Matt D.
Shit Rocket Pilot
 
Matt D.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
Send a message via ICQ to Matt D. Send a message via AIM to Matt D. Send a message via MSN to Matt D. Send a message via Yahoo to Matt D.
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by awd-drifter View Post
I'm guessing you could partially blame crappy minnesota roads also.
Partly, but there are threads appearing now of people with failed coilovers (the shock body broke in half) who do not drive in the harsh environment that we do.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti


03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon View Post
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
Matt D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #8
2zzgtte
The Russian Stub
 
2zzgtte's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Cedar, MN
Drives: 2001 Celica, 2005 Evo
Posts: 177
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Has anyone seen reviews on tanabe gf210 springs? I have those on my Evo right now, and I think it rides harsh but I have never had coilovers on. I am guessing that any aftermarket springs ride better than any coilover...

Any suggestions on best riding springs?
2zzgtte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #9
Kracka
R U DTF bro?
 
Kracka's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Watertown, SD
Drives: GheyRay
Posts: 20,499
Send a message via AIM to Kracka
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Most comfortable spring will be the Eibach Prokits.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murlo26 View Post
I agree with Kracka.
Kracka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #10
Matt D.
Shit Rocket Pilot
 
Matt D.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
Send a message via ICQ to Matt D. Send a message via AIM to Matt D. Send a message via MSN to Matt D. Send a message via Yahoo to Matt D.
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2zzgtte View Post
Has anyone seen reviews on tanabe gf210 springs? I have those on my Evo right now, and I think it rides harsh but I have never had coilovers on. I am guessing that any aftermarket springs ride better than any coilover...

Any suggestions on best riding springs?
The idea is that with a coilover you can turn the dampening down toward the soft side and it will ride like a couch (unless you have ridiculously high spring rates of course) but the problem is with cheap coilovers their valving is terrible, so if you turn down the dampening to try and soften the ride the car will start bouncing. I've known someone who had KW coilovers, he could turn them down and they'd ride nice on the street, same with Zzyzx.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti


03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon View Post
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
Matt D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #11
2zzgtte
The Russian Stub
 
2zzgtte's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Cedar, MN
Drives: 2001 Celica, 2005 Evo
Posts: 177
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracka View Post
Most comfortable spring will be the Eibach Prokits.

Great thanks! I don't do AutoX, so I don't really have need for high performance.



I have the Tein SS-P on my celica with the EDFC and I can vouch for the difference of quality of ride when turned from soft to hard. It is totally night and day difference from the soft to the hard and vice verse.
2zzgtte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #12
scheides
flips McGee
 
scheides's Avatar
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

eye heart springs + shocks!

Progressive springs are the bomb, even on the stock shocks they improved the ride on my evo (I have eibachs). Now paired with the set of bilstein MR's I got used (low mileage) the car rides freaking awesome, but still handles very respectably. If I ever got into more competition, I'd defenitely consider the swifts, even the -R's...matt's car rides extremely nice now, and no danger of das breakage:





Plus, we live in MN. Think about all the junk that can get into all of those grooves coilovers have!

Even high-end coilovers use non-progressive springs, right? I just can't fathom how they can ride uber nice.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murlo26 View Post
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotalon1g View Post
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
scheides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #13
Matt D.
Shit Rocket Pilot
 
Matt D.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
Send a message via ICQ to Matt D. Send a message via AIM to Matt D. Send a message via MSN to Matt D. Send a message via Yahoo to Matt D.
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Also, my car rotates better now than it did before, ask me how I know...
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti


03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon View Post
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
Matt D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010   #14
turbotalon1g
 
turbotalon1g's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
Drives: '91 Automagic
Posts: 13,885
Send a message via AIM to turbotalon1g
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

AGXs and Prokits babay. More of a DD car then a handling beast like Matt D.
But maybe one day if I find another set of JICs and I feel like turning this thing.
__________________
Aaron/brownman/big brown.
'91 Automagic.
Please leave feedback - http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/itrader.php?u=58309
turbotalon1g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010   #15
scheides
flips McGee
 
scheides's Avatar
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D. View Post
Also, my car rotates better now than it did before, ask me how I know...
How do you know?

vidz or ban!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murlo26 View Post
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotalon1g View Post
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
scheides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010   #16
Matt D.
Shit Rocket Pilot
 
Matt D.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
Send a message via ICQ to Matt D. Send a message via AIM to Matt D. Send a message via MSN to Matt D. Send a message via Yahoo to Matt D.
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by scheides View Post
How do you know?

vidz or ban!
The turn from Territorial onto 280 when I leave work is a 120 degree left, I sort of hustled the turn and the car basically pivoted around the corner.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti


03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon View Post
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
Matt D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010   #17
scheides
flips McGee
 
scheides's Avatar
Re: Thinking about buying those cheap coilovers? Read this first.

Too late, you got teh ban!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murlo26 View Post
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotalon1g View Post
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
scheides is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.