Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

[Nightjoker7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&hd=1

A draft of the treaty can be read here: http://www.globalclimatescam.com/doc...hagen-2009.pdf

[Spikesoftail]

This is some bad shit.

[96GST16g]

that is probably the stupidest thing you could do..... people move to america to have a better life and be free if there ilegal or not...... why would he just throw our freedom out the door just like that.... in my opinion oboma is a fricken retard..... just my two cents

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by 96GST16g

that is probably the stupidest thing you could do..... people move to america to have a better life and be free if there ilegal or not...... why would he just throw our freedom out the door just like that.... in my opinion oboma is a fricken retard..... just my two cents

Read the document instead of taking the guys words as fact.
While i do not agree with the document in the respect of Transfer of Technology, as some Developing countries are not ready to handle such technologies. I really dont think obama would sign something like that. and that congress and the senate would give him the power to sign a treaty like that.

[twack]

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Read the document instead of taking the guys words as fact.
While i do not agree with the document in the respect of Transfer of Technology, as some Developing countries are not ready to handle such technologies. I really dont think obama would sign something like that. and that congress and the senate would give him the power to sign a treaty like that.

[way2fastalon]

New world order !!!! ftl

[2zzgtte]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Read the document instead of taking the guys words as fact.

While i do not agree with the document in the respect of Transfer of Technology, as some Developing countries are not ready to handle such technologies. I really dont think obama would sign something like that. and that congress and the senate would give him the power to sign a treaty like that.

Do you seriously think that Obama will not sign something like that? Did he not say throughout his whole campign that he wanted to "share the wealth". What makes you thinkt hat he will NOT sign this if it is not brought to him? He wants to make this country socialist with all nationalized health care, government car dealers and you are saying that he will NOT sign this? This totlay sounds like Obama trying to help the "poor" that cannot take care of themselves, and take from the "rich". The tax paying americans.

Not to mention, he has the whole goverment backing him because the democrats have majority vote. Whatever he says, goes because of uneducated people who voted for him. Now you look at the founders of this country and what they wanted the 3 branches of goverment for is totally out the door. There is no "checks and balances" anymore within the american goverment. All of his bills pass through the legislative branch faster than anyone can actually READ what they are agreeing to. This completely sounds like something Obama would sign and will preach the "peace" and "share the wealth" garbage again and his minions will follow. He is destroying the country. We have tough times ahead of us.

This is exactly what we fought in WWII. I suggest read it and let us know what it is trying to say. In the meantime, im going to believe the english dude considering what he says sounds like it could be 100% right. That sounds identical to something Obama would do.

[tpunx99GSX]

Who wants to bet this guy has big oil ties though?

[2zzgtte]

Why? Just because he thinks what the united states goverment is proposing is wrong? I agree with this guy and I dont think I have big oil ties...

[Nightjoker7]

Originally Posted by 2zzgtte

Do you seriously think that Obama will not sign something like that? Did he not say throughout his whole campign that he wanted to "share the wealth". What makes you thinkt hat he will NOT sign this if it is not brought to him? He wants to make this country socialist with all nationalized health care, government car dealers and you are saying that he will NOT sign this? This totlay sounds like Obama trying to help the "poor" that cannot take care of themselves, and take from the "rich". The tax paying americans.

Not to mention, he has the whole goverment backing him because the democrats have majority vote. Whatever he says, goes because of uneducated people who voted for him. Now you look at the founders of this country and what they wanted the 3 branches of goverment for is totally out the door. There is no "checks and balances" anymore within the american goverment. All of his bills pass through the legislative branch faster than anyone can actually READ what they are agreeing to. This completely sounds like something Obama would sign and will preach the "peace" and "share the wealth" garbage again and his minions will follow. He is destroying the country. We have tough times ahead of us.

This is exactly what we fought in WWII. I suggest read it and let us know what it is trying to say. In the meantime, im going to believe the english dude considering what he says sounds like it could be 100% right. That sounds identical to something Obama would do.

+1 I agree with everything you said, From what i have seen of Obama he would sign anything that you put in front of him, All he has done is talk big and talk about "change" he never said what this change would be I guess now everyone knows. Before you know it the government is going to own your life, its really sad some people need to wake up.

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The bottom of page 179 of the treaty is interesting

5. Provision of financial resources for capacity-building

7. [Financial and technological support [shall] [should] be provided in the context of Article 4.9 of

the Convention in a transparent, expedited, direct access, sustainable and predictable manner under the

overall guidance of the COP through

Option 1

a dedicated multilateral fund for capacity-building as referred to in paragraph 175, option 6.

Option 2

a new financial mechanism to support mitigation, adaptation, technology transfer and capacity-building

action as referred to in paragraph 166 and paragraph 174, option 1.

Provision of capacity-building support to developing country Parties, along with delivery of financial

support and technology transfer, shall be a legally binding obligation of developed country Parties, with

consequences for non-compliance.

[Nightjoker7]

I have a really bad feeling about what will happen if this gets signed its not going to be good.

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If this treaty passes I see a clusterfuck of UN regulations on carbon emissions (some good, some bad)

I also see us spending alot of money we don't have. Even if we did have it there are bigger issues to deal with than CO2 output. Especially here at home.

The number 1 producer of carbon emmisions in the world is concrete when it's curing. I wonder how long before we're back in mud hut's with dirt roads

[Nightjoker7]

I used to like Obama, i don't one bit anymore he has his head so far up someones ass its not even funny

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by 2zzgtte

Why? Just because he thinks what the united states goverment is proposing is wrong? I agree with this guy and I dont think I have big oil ties...

Im going to quote my brother...

The NWO is nothing new, it is actually something that has been in the works for a long time, but has been misunderstood, I beleive. Lord "I talk with a british accent so I sound important" Dude is most likely (I'd be willing to bet money on it) working for Big Oil. They are using the threat of a NWO to stop a treaty that will end the oil companies reign over America and the world because they realize that this treaty is, in fact, an attempt to eliminate fossil fuels from being used as energy on this planet.

Now, I don't want to be rash about this, so I have a 180 page document that I must read in order to fully understand the debate. But, my understanding is that this treaty is really ONLY about pushing the richest countries into using alternative fuels and using the money that is generated thru "penalties" imposed on the worst polluters to study, develop and create new energy sources. If that is all this treaty is truly about, then you will get no push back from me or really anyone else. If there is something more sinister going on in an attempt to create that NWO, then, yeah, it probably needs to be stopped... at least for now.

The reality is that we already have a global economy, but we have goverments that cannot agree on anything, which is why a true "one goverment" system will not happen, at least not in our lifetimes. It would actually be a GREAT thing for the world, someday. But none of us are ready for that. It would literally take some kind of world event to remove/disprove all religion on earth. That, first and foremost would have to happen.

After we get over the "shock" that there is no God, we would then need to all agree on what moral values we all hold and how to enforce those moral values. Someday, I would like to beleive that we will all be on the same wavelength and all agree on what is best for our society and our planet. But man, we are centuries away from that.

Now, there is rumblings that one of those "world events" might just be about to happen. The French and British Goverment have released all of their "UFO" files and they are being gone thru as we speak. They are both "daring" the US to do the same and said they have some questions for us that they would like answered. We may just be on the cusp of truly understanding what is going on in our skies.

Honestly, i dont know why this guy is saying we should rise up and tell our government not to sign the treaty, and march in the streets, this generation of americans are too damn lazy to do this. and when they do they show up in a small group and everyone calls them idiots, and cultists.

[tpunx99GSX]

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Why would anybody in there right mind want to stop using oil for energy?


What on this earth requires oil besides us? Can you answer that.


Electric cars run off electricity, which is produced mostly from burning coal, and some nuclear. Both those polute. The batteries that power them are made with some of the nastiest chemicals and processes known to man. Where do we dispose of the batteries when we're done?

Hydrogen powered cars run off fresh water, something we and every other organism on earth depends on for life.




So what is so wrong about using oil for fuel Tom??? We are not going to run out of it for a long time and when we do, oh well. The only thing that needs oil in this world is us

[tpunx99GSX]

Oil is used in more products then just fuel. And is far less efficient than other sources. Hydrogen cars take water, turn it to fuel, then back into water, but doesnt fuck up the environment like oil does. Hell if they would have made the refining of ethanol more efficient, that would make for a better fuel than oil, and can be actually grown, burns cleaner and can be in abundance.
As soon as technology catches up, sun will be a great source of energy and will NEVER go out.
The key to the Kyoto Protocol and other treaties trying to make their way to light, is to make it so we can develop a cleaner way of producing energy that will not fuck up our environment for our children and childrens children.
Southern California is a shithole because of pollution, I was flying in coming back from MN a couple times ago, and when we were making our decent i looked out the window, too my amazment it looked like we were going to land in dirt.... what was this dirt? It wasnt dirt at all, its that we were decending through a brown fog called SMOG. It was sickening. And if we can do anything to eliminate this or cut down on this, the world would be safer and cleaner. You dont think diseases are sprouting up because the air we breath is all fucked up? Open your eyes, Cancer is on the rise and has been for a while now, something like 1 in 4 people will die of cancer. (need reference)

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Southern California is a shithole because of pollution, I was flying in coming back from MN a couple times ago, and when we were making our decent i looked out the window, too my amazment it looked like we were going to land in dirt.... what was this dirt? It wasnt dirt at all, its that we were decending through a brown fog called SMOG. It was sickening. And if we can do anything to eliminate this or cut down on this, the world would be safer and cleaner.

Have you been to LA before the year 2000? I have been going out there twice a year since since 1982 to visit family and lived in San Dimas for about a year back in 1991 and I can tell you it has gotten alot better since then. And over that whole time we have been using petrolium based fuels. Modern technoligy with computerized fuel injection and modern emissions controls has killed smog damn near dead in its tracks.

90% of the smog you see in LA is still there from the 60's and 70's when we were burning leaded gas and very poor diesel fuels compared to today and we had basically no emmissions equipment. (much like some DSMrs I know lol)

Hydrogen cars run off fresh water and that is a problem to me. I would rather worry about running out of crude than running out of drinking water. Eathonal is a great alternative once we can get the process streamlined but it still pollutes almost as much as petrolium based fuels.