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Old 08-04-2004   #1
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Jet and I have been working on fixing my oil Leaks from my Oil Feed/Return line.

We got them all fixed finally yesterday. But when I went to start the car yesterday My oil Gauge had no oil pressure. My head had No oil in it. But the Oil dipstick reads Full, and the idot Light is on.


Things we did since last time it worked:

1)Drained all the oil

2) Theflon Taped my OIl feed line threads

3)RTV'd My Oil Return Line to Turbo

4)Welded the Oil Return Line to the Oil Pan so that I'd never have to deal with it leaking again.

5)MOST IMPORT IMO - We Swapped oil Pans, We installed the Oil pan from my 1995 GSX. This Motor is from my 1996 GS-T.

So jet and I are wondering is there a difference between the Oil Pans, or is there a difference between the Oil Pick ups?


Everything was working just fine when I pulled into his house, So I'm confused as to why all of a sudden this would happen.

Any ideas on what's going on?
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Old 08-04-2004   #2
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AS PER MITSU CAPS, THE PANS AND PICKUPS ARE THE SAME?

are you sure that the picup might have gotten cought on the trap baffle in the pan? so it would be out of the oil ? just a thought? or did youu remove the pick up? maybe no gasket? forgot to tighten the bolts?

just my .02
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I have no idea but it definetely wasn't the easiest thing to get back into place. I hope I didn't bend it out of place or something.


This was the 3rd time in 3 days I've taken the pan off and on. And every time it was the same difficulty getting it back into place.


Each time the pick up didn't look like anything happened to it? Screen was not bent in anyway, etc?

The oil pan is tightened into place I don't know what else it could be?
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Old 08-04-2004   #4
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Check sensors on the oilfilter housing to make sure there pluged in, and you can not just bend the oil pick up by putting the pan on, unless you use a floor jack or somthing to push it up there. Other then that start the car and look thew the oil cap there should be oil on the cams then at least. Also is the pan dented?

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The pickup wasn't taken off, just the pans were swapped.

There were a TON of metal chunks (big chunks!) of metal in the pan that was on his car when he got to my house. It is also possible that the oil pump decided to disintegrate right before he got to my place. I think it is a problem with the pickup though.

Both sensors read no oil pressure (idiot light was on too) and there isn't ANY oil in the head. I already took off the oil cap. No dent in the pan either.
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Old 08-04-2004   #6
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I was just pointing out the obvious. So it looks like the oil pump or another internal engine part has let go.

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The metal parts were copper, there also were "C" clips or something in the pan?


If it let go it let go while we were working on it. When I drive I'm always checking Coolant Temp (logs, and gauge) always checking Oil pressure (I've had my oil filter fall off in the past and blown an Oil filter cooler gasket)


And everything was working fine when I pulled into Jet's house. (I always check everything prior to shutting the car off as well)


Oil pressure was up when I pulled in - so it has to be something we did when we were working on the car?
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Alright, Joe just brought up something. In the hurry to get yer ass home, did you leave the rag in the oil pan that you were cleaning it out with? Just a thought.

The metal chunks in there did look like turbo bearings or something.
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Brian, how over filled is the oil for sure and how much did you put in.
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4 quarts - but typically speaking my car reads full after 3.5.

In this case it's about 1/2 quart to mcuh. I will mention this new pan isn't dented where as my last one was dented. So who knows?

Maybe that dent brought the oil up to the pick up or something? or bent the pick up as well?

And I didn't leave the rag in the pan. I'm positive on that one. The only thing I didn't do was clean it out after jet finished welding.
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Oh and also I took the Valve cover off and Polished it? not that I think it has anything to do with it. But just wanted to cover all the bases.
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The oil pickup is hard, you're going to have to do quite a bit to bend that thing. Is there a gasket that should be between the pickup and the pump? The dent in the oil pan might be pressing right up against the screen of the pickup and not allowing any oil to get in.
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I'm confused. You said "everything was working just fine when I pulled into his house", but you said you found metal and c clips in the oil pan? Metal and c clips would indicate everything was not fine. I'd be more worried about what that was from.

As for no oil pressue; bad pump, huge oil leak, or there's something wrong with the pick up. Since it was working when you pulled in, leak, or problem with the pick up would be my guess.
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If i have to come over on fix this tonight i'm going to be pis--- just kidding, but if you need help I'll be there.
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And although this would suck you might want to test the pump and/or pickup by taking off the timing belt and spinning the pump with a drill or air ratchet. Better then starting your motor with no oil pressure. Good luck!
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Well the metal could be from anything. I've never personally taken the oil pan off before.

this block has seen a T-25 blow up, as well as might be something from my old HRCS20G?

I don't know but if it was turbo parts then that would explain why it knocked so much when we dyno'd. The only thing I don't get is there was no bent fins, it spun freely, etc.

I don't know? There is about 45,000 miles on the oil pump if I had to guess.

Anyrate. I can't do anything towards this car at least till friday cause i don't have any gas or money to get up there to work on it.

I'm kind of temped just to tow it home and just leave the damn thing. My only problem is I don't have another car to drive.


Go figure I start off trying to fix a Minor problem and end up causing a big one?

When I pulled the pan off the oil pick up had a screen on it and was not dented and looked to be in perfect condition.

The oil pan I installed has been sitting in my garage for 2years. I cleaned it out when I was up at Jets prior to welding.

But didn't have the time to reclean after welding.
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The welding wouldn't have done anything to the inside of the oil pan, sans maybe burning a little paint off, but that wouldn't matter. We'll have to check it out more later on. It shouldn't be anything major.
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I was just wondering if there might have been splatter or somethign that could have gotten sucked up into it or what not.

(but I didn't have oil pressure from the get go. so who knows)

I really hope it isn't anything major cause it'll be end of OCT before I'd be able to pay to get it fixed.

I really hope I get out of this loud exhaust ticket. I need the money.

Also Jet think next time I come up there we can finish welding the dump tube?

If I take off the waiste gate we should be able to do it with it on the car. Since I'm probably sporting the only Flex Sectioned Dump Tube in the State. :woowoo:
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Yeah, we can definately do that. I don't think any splatter could have gotten up there. It has to have something to do with that oil pan or something.
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Maybe a swap back to the original Oil Pan in needed?

I don't know what the hell it could be. But I don't have the money to to the Timing belt or get a new oil pump.

And unless you guys can figure it out, I'm probably done for the year.
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