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Old 03-10-2018   #1
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My ultimate streetcar

So in order to keep up with the Jones's I felt compelled to join the build thread crowd. I know at least a few will recognize the car's exterior. Few years ago I got suckered into the dsm game yet again, and vow'd to do things the right way this time, and build a dsm how I always wanted one. Wanted something that used what a standard awd trans can handle for power, can corner, but was still pleasant to drive on the street. I feel like I'm close with that goal.


The car was well on it's way to what I wanted when I got it, a clean chassis that all the bolts aren't seized together, a 6 bolt, all the goodies to make 500 whp. Course after a day of hot rodding it around showing everybody, the BB in the turbo had enough, and while staying together, was no longer helping the lil motor get out of it's way. Well conveniently enough the FP black's were on sale, was a little bit more airflow, still a nice bolt on package. So I bolted that up as a replacement to the 3052 it came with. And as you all know, that's how it starts.
When the new turbo showed up I was shocked how small it was. No longer needed a spacer for the compressor to clear the water line. Looked small next to a 50 trim and the old garret. Once I took it for a spin I realized it was no little guy. I started to learn everything else needed to go a little bigger, needed a bigger pump, bigger injectors. 2g maf was starting to skip counts. So I sourced some new FID1600's from a fellow member, put a 450LPH fuel pump, and convert it to speed density. Then it was time to break some more stuff. Learned no, you can't run more than 8250 rpm on a stock bottom end. And that while close, you can't run a single 450 and= a stock fuel line with injectors that don't have any extra headroom. So this has turned into more of a novel than I planned, I picked up a set of muellerized JiC's along the way, bought eagle rods, and mated them to the 9.5:1 wisco HD pistons that belong on a 7 bolt (22mm pins). And just in case I got a big FMIC (ETS race 4"). Felt with that big of a cooler stuffed in there, I should help it breate a little better, and took the die grinder to the front bumper. Then last summer, after doing the active toe eliminators, I wanted to really unlock the cars handling. I decided I needed my own set of RPF1's and made them fit. Of course in typical dsm fashion, 2 days later, all hell broke loose (only #1 rod bearing actually). It's been a roller coaster ride like always. But every time I actually end up driving the car it puts a smile on my face.
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Old 03-10-2018   #2
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

So on to my current status. Reworking a different block.
One of the main issues I believe plaguing my old motor, was the oil delivery setup. Sure pressure was fine when I drove it normal. But spending some time above 7k, and add some corners in the mix and I caught the gauge twitching alittle. This didn't lead to iminent failure. But 3 sets of rod bearings wrecked on cyl #1, suggests oil delivery is a serious possibility. So this winter I am trying to head off any oiling issues short of going dry sump (anyone want to borrow me 5500 bux?). I am doing some oiling mod's learned from jafomobile. Grinding the oil delivery hole smooth. I will be adding chamfers to my crank.
So speaking of cranks. After wrecking a couple, I was on the hunt for another one. This time armed with a 1-2" mic and knew where to measure the rod pin. After looking at a handful of them. I realized my eye alone doesn't tell the whole story. Even the best least abused looking cranks did not measure within spec, they all showed wear on the compression stroke part of the journal (were undersize just in that 1 spot). So with this I decided to have 1 of my old cranks ground 01" under.

And of course, I got a case of since I'm in there's... Girdle, arp mains, align honed (at least checked), deck and fire ring job.

Current question lately is what to do about the oil pan. Can we get a group buy on pan's by Mark? I am seriously considering getting a moroso but I question fitment in the car, looks like it could be fun to fit on the car. Anyone ever use one? Thoughts??
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Old 03-10-2018   #3
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

I run a Moroso pan on my 2g.

Make sure you get new not old. They revised it to fix a clearance issue.

Not much else to say really.

There are a few oil mods you can do.

Filter housing has one, the oil port in the head has one, and HLA also you can do. Just Google the topics
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Old 03-11-2018   #4
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wow nice. I swear there were more 1ga white cars produced than any other.
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Old 03-11-2018   #5
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

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I run a Moroso pan on my 2g.

Make sure you get new not old. They revised it to fix a clearance issue.

Not much else to say really.

There are a few oil mods you can do.

Filter housing has one, the oil port in the head has one, and HLA also you can do. Just Google the topics

Thanx for the tip on the pan revision, I did not know that.
I have seen most of the other tricks also, filter housing was already done. Noticed, cause this engine never had crazy high pressure at high rpm like other 6 bolts ive had in the past.
I've read about the oil delivery hole pocket in the head being modded not sure if that's the same trick your thinking of.
And I have an HLA in the garage ready to go in the head. I'd love to know exactly what's needed and what's overkill. But playing science experiment with the bottom end is really too much work and money to gamble with.
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http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/4g6...rt-mod.341028/
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

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Thanx for the tip on the pan revision, I did not know that.
I have seen most of the other tricks also, filter housing was already done. Noticed, cause this engine never had crazy high pressure at high rpm like other 6 bolts ive had in the past.
I've read about the oil delivery hole pocket in the head being modded not sure if that's the same trick your thinking of.
And I have an HLA in the garage ready to go in the head. I'd love to know exactly what's needed and what's overkill. But playing science experiment with the bottom end is really too much work and money to gamble with.

I told you about the revised moroso pans, they use to leak like crazy...most likely from a weld process? not One hundred on that. Glad to see you documenting your dream build. I think itll swiftly become know in the car community again!
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

Everything is going to plan. Blocks at Gosh, for deck and oring. Since I was next door. I put a timeline to this heap of parts to go on the dyno.

While that's gone, time to clean up all the little things. Bigger fuel line from the tank up, bushings in the shifter, replace the bell housing, and take the grinder to my turbine housing. I've decided I'd rather try and make a single 450LPH pump work than try to stuff 2 in there and suck air below a half tank. Which means I need more injector and the bigger line.
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We will have to meet up sometime since we are neighbors. (i'm in Blaine)
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Re: My ultimate streetcar

Ha, looks a lot like my old build over the years(Muellerized JIC's, FP turbo, oil mods, toe eliminator, etc.) I had really high oil pressure on my 2.4 mostly because I didn't put in oil squirters, which I would definitely would've added if I had kept the car. I ended up porting the relief as far as possible to get it to the right range. Do you have low oil pressure just at idle, or all the time?
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Ha, looks a lot like my old build over the years(Muellerized JIC's, FP turbo, oil mods, toe eliminator, etc.) I had really high oil pressure on my 2.4 mostly because I didn't put in oil squirters, which I would definitely would've added if I had kept the car. I ended up porting the relief as far as possible to get it to the right range. Do you have low oil pressure just at idle, or all the time?
The oil pressure is actually pretty good, till it sucks air. It's 15-20psi at idle, and around 80 at higher RPM's and seems to flatten off without overrunning the relief valve. But I ran .003" clearance bearings so it plenty of room to escape.

It had issues on say a left handed clover leaf, the one time in particular I remember I decided to exit in 2nd, so it was at 6700ish for a lil bit, then I come out on the throttle, I remember the pressure gauge jumping around, and thinking, oh wire must be loose... You know how you justify away major issues, well I can say looking at the parts the wire to the pressure gauge wasn't lying.

So I'm hoping an HLA, venting the block, and a bigger maybe better pan will help the oil drain back, and the extra volume provide more forgiveness for spirited left turns. Cause this was with tires that had the grip level of a brick before, now with 255 wide 200 class tires it really dives around corners. I know people have this theory that DSM's can't corner, and they really don't do well stock. But good coilovers and toe eliminators totally change that.
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